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> is actually surreptitiously controlled by the Chinese government There's not evidence for that. It's a private company. It's not a state-owned enterprise, an

> is actually surreptitiously controlled by the Chinese government There's not evidence for that. It's a private company. It's not a state-owned enterprise, and doesn't function like one. > This fact is not minor cultural nitpicking. No, but it is part of a campaign to demonize China and Chinese companies. Many people in the US foreign policy establishment are worried about the existence of a peer-level competitor, and cannot accept that the US is no longer the sole superpower in the world. That's the fundamental issue here. It's why there's such a huge disconnect between all the fear about Huawei and the utter lack of evidence of backdoors in their equipment. This isn't about Huawei. It's about people in the US government trying to head off China as a competitor.

thoughtstheseus 7y ago
The House Intel Committee report cited above is quite specific on evidence. Well worth the read.
- DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
  I've seen it before, but I couldn't find any specific evidence. The tenor of the report is generally characterized by the following passage: > Huawei’s failure to provide further detailed information explaining how it is formally regulated, controlled, or otherwise managed by the Chinese government undermines the company’s repeated assertions that it is not inappropriately influenced by the Chinese government. In my book, that translates roughly to, "We have no evidence that Huawei is controlled by the Chinese state, but we're going to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt." That's typical of the US government's approach towards Huawei so far. They refuse to provide evidence of backdoors, but keep insisting they're there.
  - thoughtstheseus 7y ago
    Just go to any random page in the report for evidence.
    - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
      That's easy to say, but having read through the parts of the report that address whether Huawei is controlled by the Chinese government, I haven't seen any evidence. Above, I quoted a typical passage to you. You can see that it doesn't present evidence. At this point, if there is evidence in the report, it would be easiest if you would to cite it.
      - thoughtstheseus 7y ago
        Anyone who is interested in learning about this should just go check out the report for themselves. Your selected quote is a bit odd, Huawei can’t explain how it is regulated?
        DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
        > Anyone who is interested in learning about this should just go check out the report for themselves. Indeed. It is telling, however, that you keep saying the report is full of evidence on every page, but won't actually mention any piece of evidence. I find that very typical of the political campaign against Huawei in the US.
        thoughtstheseus 7y ago
        Huawei can’t explain how it is regulated?
        DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
        According to the US House of Representatives, Huawei did not provide further information on request. They have publicly addressed the question of their ownership, however: https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/3007863/who-controls-huawei-chinese-telecom-leaders https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/.... Again, you haven't provided any evidence, despite saying that there's evidence on every page of the report. That speaks for itself.
gruez 7y ago
> > is actually surreptitiously controlled by the Chinese government >There's not evidence for that. It's a private company. It's not a state-owned enterprise, and doesn't function like one. What about the LA Times article? >A study by professors Christopher Balding and Donald Clarke published April 17, 2019, argues Huawei is effectively state-owned because it is 99% owned by a "trade union committee." Trade unions in China are controlled by the government.
- DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
  It's owned by the employees, through a mechanism that involves their trade union, with Ren Zhengfei (the founder and CEO) having veto power over decisions. The argument that this indirectly means the government controls the company is pretty tendentious.

thoughtstheseus 7y ago

The House Intel Committee report cited above is quite specific on evidence. Well worth the read.

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
I've seen it before, but I couldn't find any specific evidence. The tenor of the report is generally characterized by the following passage: > Huawei’s failure to provide further detailed information explaining how it is formally regulated, controlled, or otherwise managed by the Chinese government undermines the company’s repeated assertions that it is not inappropriately influenced by the Chinese government. In my book, that translates roughly to, "We have no evidence that Huawei is controlled by the Chinese state, but we're going to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt." That's typical of the US government's approach towards Huawei so far. They refuse to provide evidence of backdoors, but keep insisting they're there.
- thoughtstheseus 7y ago
  Just go to any random page in the report for evidence.
  - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
    That's easy to say, but having read through the parts of the report that address whether Huawei is controlled by the Chinese government, I haven't seen any evidence. Above, I quoted a typical passage to you. You can see that it doesn't present evidence. At this point, if there is evidence in the report, it would be easiest if you would to cite it.
    - thoughtstheseus 7y ago
      Anyone who is interested in learning about this should just go check out the report for themselves. Your selected quote is a bit odd, Huawei can’t explain how it is regulated?
      - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
        > Anyone who is interested in learning about this should just go check out the report for themselves. Indeed. It is telling, however, that you keep saying the report is full of evidence on every page, but won't actually mention any piece of evidence. I find that very typical of the political campaign against Huawei in the US.
        thoughtstheseus 7y ago
        Huawei can’t explain how it is regulated?
        DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
        According to the US House of Representatives, Huawei did not provide further information on request. They have publicly addressed the question of their ownership, however: https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/3007863/who-controls-huawei-chinese-telecom-leaders https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-leaders-and-founders/article/.... Again, you haven't provided any evidence, despite saying that there's evidence on every page of the report. That speaks for itself.

gruez 7y ago

> > is actually surreptitiously controlled by the Chinese government >There's not evidence for that. It's a private company. It's not a state-owned enterprise, and doesn't function like one. What about the LA Times article? >A study by professors Christopher Balding and Donald Clarke published April 17, 2019, argues Huawei is effectively state-owned because it is 99% owned by a "trade union committee." Trade unions in China are controlled by the government.

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
It's owned by the employees, through a mechanism that involves their trade union, with Ren Zhengfei (the founder and CEO) having veto power over decisions. The argument that this indirectly means the government controls the company is pretty tendentious.