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I've read a few stories, with different 'takes' on 'what went wrong' They're all obviously coloured by the sources/reporter as obviously (in this case) if your
by goldcd 7y ago
I've read a few stories, with different 'takes' on 'what went wrong'
They're all obviously coloured by the sources/reporter as obviously (in this case) if your pilot/simulator was impacted by cost cuts, then you're going to pin those dead passengers on your pilot/simulator changes.
I'm fine with that. I'd do the same myself.
What scares me though, is that even now the story is still a pile of anecdotal tumble-weed.
What do we know?
1) Enough passengers died for the planes to be grounded.
2) These deaths happened due to:
2.1) Larger engines being bolted onto an old airframe
2.2) Plane not being sufficiently updated to compensate
3) FAA being a bit too cozey with Boeing in certification.
"Mistakes were made"
What I'm not hearing is Boeing going through the stages on this.
Where did they make the mistakes? What should they have done? What have they put in place/restored to ensure it never happens again? etc etc
Boeing needs to try to own what it'll take to get their planes flying again. And that requires them to engage with the bazillion people they've pissed off - to defend why this particular cost-cut wasn't why people died.
- chx 7y ago> Boeing needs to try to own what it'll take to get their planes flying again. I think they will need to meet the EASA at the Canossa Castle so to speak for that plane to fly again. The FAA so completely screwed up the EASA won't trust a word from them for a very, very long while -- not only did they let Boeing effectively certify their own plane but when the fertilizer hit the circular cooling device and the EASA served them a face saving opportunity by not issuing an EU wide grounding order immediately but individual member countries, one by one, banned the plane from their airspace without grounding them. And the FAA didn't budge! Finally the EASA said, fine, the 737 MAX is grounded. And now all the trust and goodwill carefully built between the two authorities is all gone. Getting the MAX flying again in the USA is one thing, getting it through the EASA after this will be an entire different matter...
- goldcd 7y agoYou're right. Every criticism Boeing needs to sort out, also needs to be handled by the FAA.
- jrumbut 7y ago+1 and I wish I could give more for Canossa, that's really what is missing. From Wikipedia: "The Road to Canossa...refers to Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV's trek to Canossa Castle, Italy, where Pope Gregory VII was staying as the guest of Margravine Matilda of Tuscany, at the height of the investiture controversy in January 1077 to seek absolution of his excommunication. According to contemporary sources, he was forced to humiliate himself on his knees waiting for three days and three nights before the entrance gate of the castle, while a blizzard raged. Indeed, the episode has been described as "one of the most dramatic moments of the Middle Age" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_to_Canossa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_to_Canossa I also really enjoy Norman Cantor's description in "Civilization in the Middle Ages," where he takes a more cynical view of the actions involved.