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> The ecosystem is fundamentally different from in the US, and western observers dont seem to be aware of this. This comment misses the whole point entirely. O

> The ecosystem is fundamentally different from in the US, and western observers dont seem to be aware of this. This comment misses the whole point entirely. Obviously this is not a simple issue about cultural differences. The key point is that a telecom company that is a major player in the telecom infrastructure busines and is desperately trying to control the world's telecom infrastructure is actually surreptitiously controlled by the Chinese government. This fact is not minor cultural nitpicking.

yummypaint 7y ago
We're saying the same thing. My point is that looking at huawei through a western lens causes one to underestimate the threat.
- rumanator 7y ago
  It is really not a lens issue. The world needs telecom infrastructure, and the dominant player in the next gen telecom infrastructure is actually a sockpuppet of an oppressive totalitarian nation with a worldwide imperialist agenda. How hard is it to miss the huge red flag?
DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
> is actually surreptitiously controlled by the Chinese government There's not evidence for that. It's a private company. It's not a state-owned enterprise, and doesn't function like one. > This fact is not minor cultural nitpicking. No, but it is part of a campaign to demonize China and Chinese companies. Many people in the US foreign policy establishment are worried about the existence of a peer-level competitor, and cannot accept that the US is no longer the sole superpower in the world. That's the fundamental issue here. It's why there's such a huge disconnect between all the fear about Huawei and the utter lack of evidence of backdoors in their equipment. This isn't about Huawei. It's about people in the US government trying to head off China as a competitor.
- thoughtstheseus 7y ago
  The House Intel Committee report cited above is quite specific on evidence. Well worth the read.
  - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
    I've seen it before, but I couldn't find any specific evidence. The tenor of the report is generally characterized by the following passage: > Huawei’s failure to provide further detailed information explaining how it is formally regulated, controlled, or otherwise managed by the Chinese government undermines the company’s repeated assertions that it is not inappropriately influenced by the Chinese government. In my book, that translates roughly to, "We have no evidence that Huawei is controlled by the Chinese state, but we're going to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt." That's typical of the US government's approach towards Huawei so far. They refuse to provide evidence of backdoors, but keep insisting they're there.
    - thoughtstheseus 7y ago
      Just go to any random page in the report for evidence.
      - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
        That's easy to say, but having read through the parts of the report that address whether Huawei is controlled by the Chinese government, I haven't seen any evidence. Above, I quoted a typical passage to you. You can see that it doesn't present evidence. At this point, if there is evidence in the report, it would be easiest if you would to cite it.
        thoughtstheseus 7y ago
        Anyone who is interested in learning about this should just go check out the report for themselves. Your selected quote is a bit odd, Huawei can’t explain how it is regulated?
9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago
As much as American government is in bed / interests aligned with its companies? Doesn't mean USA shouldn't try to fight against Chinese, but it's absurd to claim that the difference is anything else in America, there are just s bit different rules for the game and cultural rules.

yummypaint 7y ago

We're saying the same thing. My point is that looking at huawei through a western lens causes one to underestimate the threat.

rumanator 7y ago
It is really not a lens issue. The world needs telecom infrastructure, and the dominant player in the next gen telecom infrastructure is actually a sockpuppet of an oppressive totalitarian nation with a worldwide imperialist agenda. How hard is it to miss the huge red flag?

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago

> is actually surreptitiously controlled by the Chinese government There's not evidence for that. It's a private company. It's not a state-owned enterprise, and doesn't function like one. > This fact is not minor cultural nitpicking. No, but it is part of a campaign to demonize China and Chinese companies. Many people in the US foreign policy establishment are worried about the existence of a peer-level competitor, and cannot accept that the US is no longer the sole superpower in the world. That's the fundamental issue here. It's why there's such a huge disconnect between all the fear about Huawei and the utter lack of evidence of backdoors in their equipment. This isn't about Huawei. It's about people in the US government trying to head off China as a competitor.

thoughtstheseus 7y ago
The House Intel Committee report cited above is quite specific on evidence. Well worth the read.
- DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
  I've seen it before, but I couldn't find any specific evidence. The tenor of the report is generally characterized by the following passage: > Huawei’s failure to provide further detailed information explaining how it is formally regulated, controlled, or otherwise managed by the Chinese government undermines the company’s repeated assertions that it is not inappropriately influenced by the Chinese government. In my book, that translates roughly to, "We have no evidence that Huawei is controlled by the Chinese state, but we're going to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt." That's typical of the US government's approach towards Huawei so far. They refuse to provide evidence of backdoors, but keep insisting they're there.
  - thoughtstheseus 7y ago
    Just go to any random page in the report for evidence.
    - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
      That's easy to say, but having read through the parts of the report that address whether Huawei is controlled by the Chinese government, I haven't seen any evidence. Above, I quoted a typical passage to you. You can see that it doesn't present evidence. At this point, if there is evidence in the report, it would be easiest if you would to cite it.
      - thoughtstheseus 7y ago
        Anyone who is interested in learning about this should just go check out the report for themselves. Your selected quote is a bit odd, Huawei can’t explain how it is regulated?

9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago

As much as American government is in bed / interests aligned with its companies? Doesn't mean USA shouldn't try to fight against Chinese, but it's absurd to claim that the difference is anything else in America, there are just s bit different rules for the game and cultural rules.