Not sure what you mean. It is idiomatic to not rebuild things Java offers in Clojure and to instead just use interop with Java. Using Java from Clojure I'd say

Not sure what you mean. It is idiomatic to not rebuild things Java offers in Clojure and to instead just use interop with Java. Using Java from Clojure I'd say is as good as Kotlin. Using Clojure from Java isn't as good as Kotlin, but it is still pretty good. Only certain things get messy, like in frameworks where you need to extend a class and override methods to set some behavior. Or frameworks that make heavy use of annotations. Since Clojure isn't OO, doing those are a bit trickier.