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Or hire the best person for the job regardless of race, gender, sexuality, religion or nationality.

shiftpgdn 7y ago
The best people are already available here. Companies just don't want to pay a fair salary or have someone that can leave at the drop of a hat.
- la6470 7y ago
  Bullshit
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  All the best people are Americans?
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- UncleMeat 7y ago
  H1B salaries are public. You can see that the major companies aren't paying them less.
  - dqv 7y ago
    Where? I can't find anything about salaries on the USCIS data hub. It's hard to trust a non-governmental data source since there is no penalty or fines for misreporting.
    - geofft 7y ago
      I think you can get this data from https://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/performancedata.cfm https://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/performancedata.cfm with the caveats noted in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Condition_Application#Data_released_by_the_Department_of_Labor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Condition_Application#Da... - this is data from the Department of Labor about "Labor Condition Applications" for H-1Bs. Most but not all of these turn into H-1B petitions, and some but not all of these are granted. There doesn't appear to be a public dataset of salaries of active H-1B visas. I'm looking at the data, I'll reply once I remember how to `import xlsxreader`.
- esoterica 7y ago
  All the best people happen to belong to the same 5% segment of the world population? That’s about as probable as all the best people having names that start with the letter M.
deogeo 7y ago
The corporation would, but the government forces it to prioritize its own citizens. Because the citizens of any country expect it to look out for their own interests ahead of others. If your country is nothing but an open marketplace where you have to compete with the whole world, you don't really have a country.
- esoterica 7y ago
  That’s an arbitrary definition of a country. You might as well say that you can’t have a country unless every has the exact same religion and skin color (which some people still believe, and is about as morally coherent as your idea of what a country is).
  - deogeo 7y ago
    It's not a definition of country, but your country. It can still be a country, but if you share it with the whole world, it's not yours.
    - geofft 7y ago
      It's not shared with the whole world, it's shared with people of the same race. The historical definition of a "nation" (note the nat- Latin root, of "birth") is in fact a race. Many countries (as in the political entities) offer easier paths to citizenship to people of a certain ethnic background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis#Leges_sanguinis_states_today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis#Leges_sanguinis_...
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The best people are already available here. Companies just don't want to pay a fair salary or have someone that can leave at the drop of a hat.

la6470 7y ago
Bullshit
BurningFrog 7y ago
All the best people are Americans?
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UncleMeat 7y ago
H1B salaries are public. You can see that the major companies aren't paying them less.
- dqv 7y ago
  Where? I can't find anything about salaries on the USCIS data hub. It's hard to trust a non-governmental data source since there is no penalty or fines for misreporting.
  - geofft 7y ago
    I think you can get this data from https://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/performancedata.cfm https://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/performancedata.cfm with the caveats noted in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Condition_Application#Data_released_by_the_Department_of_Labor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Condition_Application#Da... - this is data from the Department of Labor about "Labor Condition Applications" for H-1Bs. Most but not all of these turn into H-1B petitions, and some but not all of these are granted. There doesn't appear to be a public dataset of salaries of active H-1B visas. I'm looking at the data, I'll reply once I remember how to `import xlsxreader`.
esoterica 7y ago
All the best people happen to belong to the same 5% segment of the world population? That’s about as probable as all the best people having names that start with the letter M.

deogeo 7y ago

The corporation would, but the government forces it to prioritize its own citizens. Because the citizens of any country expect it to look out for their own interests ahead of others. If your country is nothing but an open marketplace where you have to compete with the whole world, you don't really have a country.

esoterica 7y ago
That’s an arbitrary definition of a country. You might as well say that you can’t have a country unless every has the exact same religion and skin color (which some people still believe, and is about as morally coherent as your idea of what a country is).
- deogeo 7y ago
  It's not a definition of country, but your country. It can still be a country, but if you share it with the whole world, it's not yours.
  - geofft 7y ago
    It's not shared with the whole world, it's shared with people of the same race. The historical definition of a "nation" (note the nat- Latin root, of "birth") is in fact a race. Many countries (as in the political entities) offer easier paths to citizenship to people of a certain ethnic background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis#Leges_sanguinis_states_today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis#Leges_sanguinis_...
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