> And thank you for the ad hominem, it's really what I've come to expect from a place like HN. What's upsetting to me is this used to be a place where you coul

> And thank you for the ad hominem, it's really what I've come to expect from a place like HN. What's upsetting to me is this used to be a place where you could have really civil disagreements. Now when people disagree, they get nasty, or they throw around links to psychological disorders of whoever they disagree with. It's screwed up. Having been around the world and immersed in many cultures, I think the traditional Chinese way is pretty good. Actually, I think it'd be really excellent to take traditional Chinese parenting but also emphasize exploratory creative fail-forwards type work, and then mixed in some Italian-style entertaining, hosting people, socializing and being friendly. I do think Americans sometimes under-emphasize practical success these days, and that can actually wind up really hurting people... you see someone with a masters degrees in fine arts who work at Starbucks has and is staring at crushing student loan debt for their entire life... that's not good. Nowhere's perfect, but I think the traditional Chinese way is a very good starting block. Patch the underemphasis on socializing and abstract-fail-forwards stuff, and I think you're looking at a very successful parenting model.