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People dying from toxic cutting agents that managed to get distributed pretty broadly across the US seems like a pretty good reason on its own to regulate it li

by nrp 7y ago

People dying from toxic cutting agents that managed to get distributed pretty broadly across the US seems like a pretty good reason on its own to regulate it like tobacco is. Added “sin tax” revenue is just icing on the cake.

macinjosh 7y ago
The people using the cutting agents were sellers on the blackmarket. Do you really think they're going to collect and pay sin tax and follow regulations? This whole episode had nothing to do with the legal sale of THC products.
- nrp 7y ago
  Actually, it seems some adulterated products made it into the legal market, which seems to indicate insufficient control and inspection along the supply chain: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1097011 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1097011 In any case, reasonable regulations are already going into place in states where THC products are legal: https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2019/12/12/thc-vape-massachusetts-ban-over/ https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2019/12/12/thc-vape-mass... The availability of known-safe, conveniently-available, regulated alternatives tends to erode black markets pretty successfully. See alcohol or Spotify as examples.
  - fingerlocks 7y ago
    This isn’t the best refutation. In your first link, 80% of cases were confirmed black-market. The remaining were self-reported by users that would not name the dispensary or brand name of the product. Then from your second link regarding new regulations: ...the CCC said it has not seen evidence that anyone stricken with the mysterious and in some cases deadly lung condition bought their vape products from a licensed pot shop or medical dispensary. They are instead believed to have been sourced from the black market.
    - stjohnswarts 7y ago
      Whenever you see "self reported" on an illegal product you know that it could be accurate or off by an order of magnitude, so I completely agree with you.
hurricanetc 7y ago
There have been fewer than 50 deaths attributed to vaping. It shouldn’t even make the top 1,000 list of things to bother worrying about.
- nrp 7y ago
  Indeed. In the US we have the FDA and the CDC precisely so that all of us don’t have to worry about it. Per the linked article, they seem to be doing their jobs. The CDC has identified the likely vector for harm, and the FDA has been cracking down on unlicensed manufacturers and sellers.
  - krtong 7y ago
    I'm sure it exists in states other than california but california does require cannabis to be tested for pesticides and other toxins before it goes on sale.
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by nrp 7y ago

macinjosh 7y ago

The people using the cutting agents were sellers on the blackmarket. Do you really think they're going to collect and pay sin tax and follow regulations? This whole episode had nothing to do with the legal sale of THC products.

nrp 7y ago
Actually, it seems some adulterated products made it into the legal market, which seems to indicate insufficient control and inspection along the supply chain: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1097011 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1097011 In any case, reasonable regulations are already going into place in states where THC products are legal: https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2019/12/12/thc-vape-massachusetts-ban-over/ https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2019/12/12/thc-vape-mass... The availability of known-safe, conveniently-available, regulated alternatives tends to erode black markets pretty successfully. See alcohol or Spotify as examples.
- fingerlocks 7y ago
  This isn’t the best refutation. In your first link, 80% of cases were confirmed black-market. The remaining were self-reported by users that would not name the dispensary or brand name of the product. Then from your second link regarding new regulations: ...the CCC said it has not seen evidence that anyone stricken with the mysterious and in some cases deadly lung condition bought their vape products from a licensed pot shop or medical dispensary. They are instead believed to have been sourced from the black market.
  - stjohnswarts 7y ago
    Whenever you see "self reported" on an illegal product you know that it could be accurate or off by an order of magnitude, so I completely agree with you.

hurricanetc 7y ago

There have been fewer than 50 deaths attributed to vaping. It shouldn’t even make the top 1,000 list of things to bother worrying about.

nrp 7y ago
Indeed. In the US we have the FDA and the CDC precisely so that all of us don’t have to worry about it. Per the linked article, they seem to be doing their jobs. The CDC has identified the likely vector for harm, and the FDA has been cracking down on unlicensed manufacturers and sellers.
- krtong 7y ago
  I'm sure it exists in states other than california but california does require cannabis to be tested for pesticides and other toxins before it goes on sale.

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