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It's not surprising the daughter feels this way. This phenomenon has been studied in depth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome http://en.wikipedia

by bugsy 16y ago

It's not surprising the daughter feels this way. This phenomenon has been studied in depth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

potatolicious 16y ago
I really don't like being so blunt/snarky/rude on HN, but your comment really irks me. You are commenting on something you have no experience with, nor intimate knowledge of, and your only exposure to it a sensationalized book (or worse, even more sensationalized and hyperbolic stories about said book). The Tiger Mom thing is not immune from criticism - far from it, but to insinuate that children that grew up in such families are abused and suffering from Stockholm Syndrome is incredibly insulting. You've essentially dismissed all of the complexities of the issue by hand-waving and saying that their opinions are invalid, they don't know what they're talking about, and they're all just suffering from a psychological disorder. I'm trying really hard to stay civil here. But please, get a fucking clue before dropping statements like these and tossing around claims of child abuse.
- bugsy 16y ago
  I enjoyed your post. It does demonstrate that Tiger mom raised Chinese kids lack any ability to understand humor, being far too uptight and serious about stuff.
  - potatolicious 16y ago
    Sorry for failing to catch on to your attempt at humor, especially when there are multiple other posters in the thread, expressing the same view, who clearly aren't kidding. I apologize for failing to make light of a situation that seems to be inspiring a whole new round of anti-Chinese racism. And thank you for the ad hominem, it's really what I've come to expect from a place like HN.
    - lionhearted 16y ago
      > And thank you for the ad hominem, it's really what I've come to expect from a place like HN. What's upsetting to me is this used to be a place where you could have really civil disagreements. Now when people disagree, they get nasty, or they throw around links to psychological disorders of whoever they disagree with. It's screwed up. Having been around the world and immersed in many cultures, I think the traditional Chinese way is pretty good. Actually, I think it'd be really excellent to take traditional Chinese parenting but also emphasize exploratory creative fail-forwards type work, and then mixed in some Italian-style entertaining, hosting people, socializing and being friendly. I do think Americans sometimes under-emphasize practical success these days, and that can actually wind up really hurting people... you see someone with a masters degrees in fine arts who work at Starbucks has and is staring at crushing student loan debt for their entire life... that's not good. Nowhere's perfect, but I think the traditional Chinese way is a very good starting block. Patch the underemphasis on socializing and abstract-fail-forwards stuff, and I think you're looking at a very successful parenting model.
    - bugsy 16y ago
      I enjoyed your post. It does demonstrate that Tiger mom raised Chinese kids lack any ability to understand gentle ribbing, being far too uptight and serious about stuff.

by bugsy 16y ago

It's not surprising the daughter feels this way. This phenomenon has been studied in depth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

potatolicious 16y ago

I really don't like being so blunt/snarky/rude on HN, but your comment really irks me. You are commenting on something you have no experience with, nor intimate knowledge of, and your only exposure to it a sensationalized book (or worse, even more sensationalized and hyperbolic stories about said book). The Tiger Mom thing is not immune from criticism - far from it, but to insinuate that children that grew up in such families are abused and suffering from Stockholm Syndrome is incredibly insulting. You've essentially dismissed all of the complexities of the issue by hand-waving and saying that their opinions are invalid, they don't know what they're talking about, and they're all just suffering from a psychological disorder. I'm trying really hard to stay civil here. But please, get a fucking clue before dropping statements like these and tossing around claims of child abuse.

bugsy 16y ago
I enjoyed your post. It does demonstrate that Tiger mom raised Chinese kids lack any ability to understand humor, being far too uptight and serious about stuff.
- potatolicious 16y ago
  Sorry for failing to catch on to your attempt at humor, especially when there are multiple other posters in the thread, expressing the same view, who clearly aren't kidding. I apologize for failing to make light of a situation that seems to be inspiring a whole new round of anti-Chinese racism. And thank you for the ad hominem, it's really what I've come to expect from a place like HN.
  - lionhearted 16y ago
    > And thank you for the ad hominem, it's really what I've come to expect from a place like HN. What's upsetting to me is this used to be a place where you could have really civil disagreements. Now when people disagree, they get nasty, or they throw around links to psychological disorders of whoever they disagree with. It's screwed up. Having been around the world and immersed in many cultures, I think the traditional Chinese way is pretty good. Actually, I think it'd be really excellent to take traditional Chinese parenting but also emphasize exploratory creative fail-forwards type work, and then mixed in some Italian-style entertaining, hosting people, socializing and being friendly. I do think Americans sometimes under-emphasize practical success these days, and that can actually wind up really hurting people... you see someone with a masters degrees in fine arts who work at Starbucks has and is staring at crushing student loan debt for their entire life... that's not good. Nowhere's perfect, but I think the traditional Chinese way is a very good starting block. Patch the underemphasis on socializing and abstract-fail-forwards stuff, and I think you're looking at a very successful parenting model.
  - bugsy 16y ago
    I enjoyed your post. It does demonstrate that Tiger mom raised Chinese kids lack any ability to understand gentle ribbing, being far too uptight and serious about stuff.