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It's funny how the author's response to the dishwasher problem is not "we need to improve dishwasher regulations" but rather "regulations are bad." Do these "fr

It's funny how the author's response to the dishwasher problem is not "we need to improve dishwasher regulations" but rather "regulations are bad." Do these "free enterprise" types really want to walk around breathing leaded gasoline spewing from cars without catalytic converters or seatbelts?

whateveracct 7y ago
If some of the money saved by not having to follow regulators trickles down to them - of course!
matthewmcg 7y ago
Maybe not personally but this organization appears to be just another think tank shilling for industry interests.
- mr_woozy 7y ago
  If they're advocating for products that serve customers needs better then they're not just serving industry interests exclusively.
jandrese 7y ago
I read the first half of the article and came away with the impression that dishwashers today are in the same place low flow toilets were in the 90s. They implemented the environmental protection without rethinking the basic functionality and ended up with a markedly inferior product. If you buy a toilet today it is even better than the old high-flow toilets from the early 20th century in terms of needing only one flush and not being prone to clogs, but there was a time where they were pretty awful. So the answer may be that the dishwasher industry needs to work harder to more efficiently use that little bit of water and actually get stuff clean. I will say that I replaced my dishwasher last year and the new one is prone to leaving food residue stuck to the inside of the cups. We even tried pre-rinsing, which we never did in the old one, but it didn't help. We didn't buy some bargain basement model either, it was basically the 2018 version of the same washer we previously used.
- adrianmonk 7y ago
  > answer may be that the dishwasher industry needs to work harder to more efficiently use that little bit of water and actually get stuff clean The article points out that dishwasher sales have risen. You could even go so far as to say that this is a good thing. Assuming it's possible to solve the technical challenges, then the manufacturer who does it gains a competitive advantage. And a big one if, as the article suggests, the primary reason people are replacing dishwashers is dissatisfaction with how well they clean. People who believe in the beneficial effects of competition in the free market should appreciate that. If consumers are willing to fork over the money, then it is worthwhile to invest in the technology R&D, so the capital becomes available. So while this increase in consumer spending is annoying for consumers in the short term, in the long term it is part of the solution.
  - jandrese 7y ago
    The danger being that if someone can demonstrate a system that properly cleans the dishes again with taking an excessive amount of time they could blow up the market and leave the legacy brands in the dust. Especially if the product is not designed to fall apart after 5 years.

whateveracct 7y ago

If some of the money saved by not having to follow regulators trickles down to them - of course!

matthewmcg 7y ago

Maybe not personally but this organization appears to be just another think tank shilling for industry interests.

mr_woozy 7y ago
If they're advocating for products that serve customers needs better then they're not just serving industry interests exclusively.

jandrese 7y ago

I read the first half of the article and came away with the impression that dishwashers today are in the same place low flow toilets were in the 90s. They implemented the environmental protection without rethinking the basic functionality and ended up with a markedly inferior product. If you buy a toilet today it is even better than the old high-flow toilets from the early 20th century in terms of needing only one flush and not being prone to clogs, but there was a time where they were pretty awful. So the answer may be that the dishwasher industry needs to work harder to more efficiently use that little bit of water and actually get stuff clean. I will say that I replaced my dishwasher last year and the new one is prone to leaving food residue stuck to the inside of the cups. We even tried pre-rinsing, which we never did in the old one, but it didn't help. We didn't buy some bargain basement model either, it was basically the 2018 version of the same washer we previously used.

adrianmonk 7y ago
> answer may be that the dishwasher industry needs to work harder to more efficiently use that little bit of water and actually get stuff clean The article points out that dishwasher sales have risen. You could even go so far as to say that this is a good thing. Assuming it's possible to solve the technical challenges, then the manufacturer who does it gains a competitive advantage. And a big one if, as the article suggests, the primary reason people are replacing dishwashers is dissatisfaction with how well they clean. People who believe in the beneficial effects of competition in the free market should appreciate that. If consumers are willing to fork over the money, then it is worthwhile to invest in the technology R&D, so the capital becomes available. So while this increase in consumer spending is annoying for consumers in the short term, in the long term it is part of the solution.
- jandrese 7y ago
  The danger being that if someone can demonstrate a system that properly cleans the dishes again with taking an excessive amount of time they could blow up the market and leave the legacy brands in the dust. Especially if the product is not designed to fall apart after 5 years.