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I lie anonymously because I want to put the average up so we all get paid more :)

waterlink 7y ago
I quite like that idea!
pc86 7y ago
This seems particularly ineffective when compared to more direct options like having a good BATNA and improving your negotiation skills.
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- bsanr2 7y ago
  Also, being a white man. (This will be flagged for offending sensibilities, not because it's untrue. (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/13/study-black-employees-get-lower-offers-during-salary-negotiations.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/13/study-black-employees-get-lo...) Negotiating from the position of someone who the hiring manager doesn't believe has room to negotiate negatively impacts your final offer.)
  - Humdeee 7y ago
    No one here is getting offended by words on a website. If it gets flagged, it's because it's a veiled attempt to derail the original discussion completely.
  - pc86 7y ago
    Discussing voting/flagging is a violation of the site guidelines, which is itself enough of a reason to flag this. But it's an irrelevant and juvenile point anyway, because it's not something you can change. Negotiation tactics, BATNA, etc are all things you can influence. Your race or how the hiring manager perceives it are not.
    - bsanr2 7y ago
      Are you saying that that is something that an individual cannot personally change, or something that is impossible to change as a general rule?
  - lkbm 7y ago
    No, it's untrue. Not that white men get paid more--that's true--but that it's an option. I can choose to improve my negotiation skills and my BATNA, so those are options. If you aren't already a white man, being a white man is not an option for you. We're talking about what our effective options are and that's just not one of them. (Regardless of whether gender transitions count as a choosing to become a man, I don't think it would do much to boost income in our current society.)
    - commandlinefan 7y ago
      > white men get paid more The link seems to suggest that white men get paid more than black men… what about asian men? They seem to be doing pretty well.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  >BATNA Why does this need to be an acronym? Seems like a convoluted way to say one should know their second best option when negotiating, but that seems like an obvious thing even a 5 year old knows.

I quite like that idea!

pc86 7y ago

This seems particularly ineffective when compared to more direct options like having a good BATNA and improving your negotiation skills.

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bsanr2 7y ago
Also, being a white man. (This will be flagged for offending sensibilities, not because it's untrue. (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/13/study-black-employees-get-lower-offers-during-salary-negotiations.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/13/study-black-employees-get-lo...) Negotiating from the position of someone who the hiring manager doesn't believe has room to negotiate negatively impacts your final offer.)
- Humdeee 7y ago
  No one here is getting offended by words on a website. If it gets flagged, it's because it's a veiled attempt to derail the original discussion completely.
- pc86 7y ago
  Discussing voting/flagging is a violation of the site guidelines, which is itself enough of a reason to flag this. But it's an irrelevant and juvenile point anyway, because it's not something you can change. Negotiation tactics, BATNA, etc are all things you can influence. Your race or how the hiring manager perceives it are not.
  - bsanr2 7y ago
    Are you saying that that is something that an individual cannot personally change, or something that is impossible to change as a general rule?
- lkbm 7y ago
  No, it's untrue. Not that white men get paid more--that's true--but that it's an option. I can choose to improve my negotiation skills and my BATNA, so those are options. If you aren't already a white man, being a white man is not an option for you. We're talking about what our effective options are and that's just not one of them. (Regardless of whether gender transitions count as a choosing to become a man, I don't think it would do much to boost income in our current society.)
  - commandlinefan 7y ago
    > white men get paid more The link seems to suggest that white men get paid more than black men… what about asian men? They seem to be doing pretty well.
lotsofpulp 7y ago
>BATNA Why does this need to be an acronym? Seems like a convoluted way to say one should know their second best option when negotiating, but that seems like an obvious thing even a 5 year old knows.