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Big design up front? Seems like a lot of your advice flies in the face of prevailing agile principles. What do you think about YAGNI? http://bit.ly/cpbljR ht

Big design up front? Seems like a lot of your advice flies in the face of prevailing agile principles. What do you think about YAGNI? http://bit.ly/cpbljR http://bit.ly/cpbljR (YAGNI Wikipedia article -- apparently HN doesn't like apostrophes in urls.)

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crystalis 16y ago
He's said shit all about how well the framework answered the problem he had. He might not have even had a problem. He just said writing a framework is the most effective thing he has done to improve his programming skills.
edw519 16y ago
Seems like a lot of your advice... I gave no advice. I shared my experience. Take it or leave it. What do you think about YAGNI? Never gave it much thought before. But after reading your referral, let me rephrase the question: "How do you know what you're going to need?" After servicing hundreds of customers, I built a framework that provided what over 90% of had already needed. I figured it was a pretty good bet most new customers would too. So far it's worked out great. The framework has easily replaced one or two other programmers. But then again, that isn't even what the original question was about. OP asked the #1 thing that made me a better programmer. This was the #1 answer by far. I think everyone should write a framework, whether you need one or not. You'll never think the same way again.
- jemfinch 16y ago
  The key to your success is the "after servicing hundreds of customers". YAGNI is for the people who try to build the framework first, before they serve any customers.
thegoleffect 16y ago
Depends on your actual situation. In around 2004, Amazon was about to launch S3 until Bezos sent the team back to the drawing board because their current architecture would eventually hit a wall. Three years later, it finally launched. Big design up front paid off in their case as they've surpassed that "wall" many times over. [Citation Needed]

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crystalis 16y ago

He's said shit all about how well the framework answered the problem he had. He might not have even had a problem. He just said writing a framework is the most effective thing he has done to improve his programming skills.

edw519 16y ago

Seems like a lot of your advice... I gave no advice. I shared my experience. Take it or leave it. What do you think about YAGNI? Never gave it much thought before. But after reading your referral, let me rephrase the question: "How do you know what you're going to need?" After servicing hundreds of customers, I built a framework that provided what over 90% of had already needed. I figured it was a pretty good bet most new customers would too. So far it's worked out great. The framework has easily replaced one or two other programmers. But then again, that isn't even what the original question was about. OP asked the #1 thing that made me a better programmer. This was the #1 answer by far. I think everyone should write a framework, whether you need one or not. You'll never think the same way again.

jemfinch 16y ago
The key to your success is the "after servicing hundreds of customers". YAGNI is for the people who try to build the framework first, before they serve any customers.

thegoleffect 16y ago

Depends on your actual situation. In around 2004, Amazon was about to launch S3 until Bezos sent the team back to the drawing board because their current architecture would eventually hit a wall. Three years later, it finally launched. Big design up front paid off in their case as they've surpassed that "wall" many times over. [Citation Needed]