> everything wrong with the anti-systemd crowd in one sentence Everything wrong with pro-systemd crowd in one sentence. Namely, ignoring real issues and focus

> everything wrong with the anti-systemd crowd in one sentence Everything wrong with pro-systemd crowd in one sentence. Namely, ignoring real issues and focusing on strawmen. Look, systemd as such seems like a decent idea. The real problem I have with systemd is the attitude of the people who run it. Off the top of my head, issues I've seen with systemd: * At some point there was no way to say, "bring up this service once the network is up". I mean, there was technically a "network" target, but it considered "localhost" as a network. So if, say, you have automounted NFS, the automounter starts running before your main interface has DHCP. This setup been a widely-used configuration for decades; the systemd maintainers didn't care. * At some point, if you typed "reboot ; exit" in an ssh session, the "reboot" would hard-kill your ssh session and your shell before the "exit" would be run; so your ssh connection would then hang until the machine came up again and refused a TCP resend request. * The whole thing with systemd reading the kernel's command-line, deciding that "debug" was meant for it, and spamming the logs making it completely unable to boot; and forcing the kernel to introduce a work-around to hide "debug" from systemd. * The whole interface renaming thing that's happening in Debian now; every time we've upgraded our test systems from jessie to stretch, and then stretch to buster, we've had to spend dozens of man-hours figuring out why our network configurations aren't working. The problem here isn't so much that there are these sorts of bugs; the problem is that there seems to be an attitude of, "Well my set-up works; yours doesn't matter." That's not the attitude such a core piece of infrastructure should have. And your response has exactly the same attitude. "systemd is fine; anyone who doesn't like it must be a raving lunatic and can be safely ignored." Nobody should be threatened with violence over a piece of software, and the comment you responded to is absolutely out of line. But the reason people are becoming raving lunatics is because they're not being listened to.