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Santa Hat on VScode Insiders

46 points by 2fast4you 7y ago

_iyig 7y ago
The title of this submission seems heavily editorialized.
- 2fast4you 7y ago
  A little bit, but my intention was brevity. I didn’t realize how small the character limit was
ly 7y ago
Previous discussion on HN about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21833377 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21833377
tsukurimashou 7y ago
Someone on reddit comments pointed out how ridiculous it was since the guy is named "Christian" and then this comment: > He said in a deleted post he wasn't Jewish. He's German and was just being offended on their behalf. I don't have words really
- gmueckl 7y ago
  Christian is a normal and very common German first name. That alone doesn't tell you anything.
  - Thorrez 7y ago
    Santa hats are a very normal sight in December in the United States. That alone doesn't tell you anything.
    - Snetry 7y ago
      Are you wearing one right now?
      - tatersolid 7y ago
        I am, actually. It’s cheap and itchy.
  - nvr219 7y ago
    Nobody offended enough by a santa hat to open a bug report would use the name Christian on that bug report. Obvious troll.
    - gmueckl 7y ago
      Come on, this is equally ignorant on your part. First names are decided upon by the parents and that's it. In a lot of places, you're stuck with that for life. Inferring trolling from a user name that is a plausible real name is just ridiculous. I am not defending the bug report itself.
      - nvr219 7y ago
        They would've used a different name on their github....
- pizza234 7y ago
  This is actually a behavioral pattern of the masses, and it's very frequent in comedy. When somebody publicly pokes fun at a group, very often, advocates of the group (who do not belong to the group), will complain, even if nobody belonging to the group actually complained. I remember a comedian telling how he made a joke about priests, and while a priest actually wrote it was fun, religious associations (not priests!!) went berserk. Such cases are ego trips, however, I can see how it's difficult to handle them in a politically correct manner (I'd tell them to shut the mouth, but it's not possible in real world).
mantap 7y ago
The user is clearly trolling, firstly his name is Christian, he says a Santa hat is a "religious symbol" (???) and display of such religious symbols is almost as offensive as a [nazi] swastika, an offensive statement in itself!
- gmueckl 7y ago
  Christian is just a common first name. Having a name that is mistaken to mean something in a different language alone does not constitute trolling. It's just random. As for the rest, the net result is very much trolling even if it wasn't the original intent.
  - Thorrez 7y ago
    It's not "mistaken to mean something in a different language". The name literally originated as religious reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_(given_name) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_(given_name)
    - matzab 7y ago
      You're just mistaking the word's origin for its meaning. That's just not how any of this works.
      - ominous 7y ago
        Seems to me the same as was done by Christian: mistaking the Santa hat of 2019 with whatever happened before.
      - Thorrez 7y ago
        In both languages (English and German) the name has the same origin I believe, and the same current meaning of a name that doesn't imply the person is of the Christian religion. I think it's wrong to say that there's a language confusion of being too religious, since the name has the same religiosity in both languages.
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halgir 7y ago
There's also some amusing issues being reported in response: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+label%3A%2Aoff-topic https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3... > Color themes are offensive to blind (and colorblind) users > Snowflake doesn't represent people in the southern hemisphere > Don't add "santa hat" as it's really a coca-cola's santa and I like pepsi more
- 2fast4you 7y ago
  Amusing, but I think inappropriate. The VSCode team shouldn’t have to deal with all of the fake issues raised in their repo
  - lykr0n 7y ago
    They delt with the Santa hat issue. Some of those issues have just enough merit. Great example of letting some bullshit slide, other people are going to to want their share.
  - buboard 7y ago
    haha, the pinned issue is "why can't i file an issue right now"
  - halgir 7y ago
    I agree that it's unfair for the VSCode team to have to deal with trolling for trolling's sake. But I imagine many of the fake issues are a form of protest, and a protest is designed to be inconvenient for the sake of raising awareness and making your point heard. It's like a strike. Is a coal miner's strike "fair" to consumers who are dealt power outages or price hikes? No, but the whole point is to generate inconvenience. I sympathize with the VSCode team the same way I sympathize with front-line customer support at an airline with striking baggage handlers. But that doesn't make the strike less meritable. In this way I think the fake reports are like any other market action used to demonstrate dismay with a certain behavior, like strikes, protests or boycotts.
  - shantly 7y ago
    They set the precedent by dealing with one already. The saying “don’t feed the trolls” exists for a reason.
tu7001 7y ago
I dont get it, how Santa Hat can be offensive to anyone at all.
- thinkingemote 7y ago
  It only needs to be stated that it could be. If someone says something could cause offense, that's enough for others. It only needs 2 people.
- hrktb 7y ago
  I think the most interesting part of this is we're a few billions on the net now, there's a lot of things we can't and won't get until it blows in our face.
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buboard 7y ago
I kind of agree with Christian that the Christmas thing has gone too far, not just the christmas thing really, but the feasting on whatever manages to pass itself for "religion" nowadays, including earth days, and some ideologies, and all. We can agree to disagree in what each of us celebrates and keep it there, it's ugly when they push these commercial festivals through software and design (halloween, christmas, new year's, gay prides, whatever). Religions are insular and thus fundamentally incompatible with the internet's lowest-common-denominator culture. The smaller that culture is , the better it is for everyone. Coming from a christian background, i agree that we need less blinking lights and more actual understanding between people.
2fast4you 7y ago
I agree, the Santa doesn’t belong in VSCode, or any other tool, but not for the reasons outlined in this issue. I don’t want my editor changing its UI every year for the holidays
- thinkingemote 7y ago
  I find VLC having a hat raises a smile in me and makes my life a tiny weeny little bit better as if the tool was written by other humans. I can live without it but it's nice
Accacin 7y ago
I'm not offended by a Santa hat, I'm just fed up of everything trying to shoehorn Christmas into everything for what purpose exactly? I'm from a tradionally Christian country, and I'm not in the slightest bit religious and for the last four years I've gone China in December so that I can avoid most of the festive period in peace. I don't need every single product and service telling me that Christmas is coming, I'm aware of the fact. Stop using it to sell your products!
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- OneFamousGrouse 7y ago
  > for the last four years I've gone China in December so that I can avoid most of the festive period in peace. This sounds like the premise of a christmas TV movie.
abjKT26nO8 7y ago
I find it amusing that someone would recognize the Santa hat as a religious symbol. All that I associate it with is the season of intrusive marketing. Never would I associate it with Christianity itself regardless of my thoughts about the religion. Of course, thanks to the association with the ads for products I find the image kitsch and repulsive, so wouldn't mind if it disappeared from software as well. Regarding the Jewish issue, I have no opinion.
Grue3 7y ago
Should've just called it a Ded Moroz (Grandfather Frost) hat. It's a Russian version of Santa Claus who is completely secular.
- iLemming 7y ago
  Ded Moroz wears blue hat though.
- mlvljr 7y ago
  And that's when we should claim copyright for our very own grampa frost!
sleepychu 7y ago
The user was trolling... https://github.com/Christian-Schiffer/servicelayer.chat/wiki https://github.com/Christian-Schiffer/servicelayer.chat/wiki
- 2fast4you 7y ago
  That page wasn’t written by Christian, I was written by one of the users that’s been harassing them. https://github.com/Christian-Schiffer/servicelayer.chat/wiki/Home/_history https://github.com/Christian-Schiffer/servicelayer.chat/wiki...

46 points by 2fast4you 7y ago

_iyig 7y ago

The title of this submission seems heavily editorialized.

2fast4you 7y ago
A little bit, but my intention was brevity. I didn’t realize how small the character limit was

ly 7y ago

Previous discussion on HN about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21833377 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21833377

tsukurimashou 7y ago

Someone on reddit comments pointed out how ridiculous it was since the guy is named "Christian" and then this comment: > He said in a deleted post he wasn't Jewish. He's German and was just being offended on their behalf. I don't have words really

gmueckl 7y ago
Christian is a normal and very common German first name. That alone doesn't tell you anything.
- Thorrez 7y ago
  Santa hats are a very normal sight in December in the United States. That alone doesn't tell you anything.
  - Snetry 7y ago
    Are you wearing one right now?
    - tatersolid 7y ago
      I am, actually. It’s cheap and itchy.
- nvr219 7y ago
  Nobody offended enough by a santa hat to open a bug report would use the name Christian on that bug report. Obvious troll.
  - gmueckl 7y ago
    Come on, this is equally ignorant on your part. First names are decided upon by the parents and that's it. In a lot of places, you're stuck with that for life. Inferring trolling from a user name that is a plausible real name is just ridiculous. I am not defending the bug report itself.
    - nvr219 7y ago
      They would've used a different name on their github....
pizza234 7y ago
This is actually a behavioral pattern of the masses, and it's very frequent in comedy. When somebody publicly pokes fun at a group, very often, advocates of the group (who do not belong to the group), will complain, even if nobody belonging to the group actually complained. I remember a comedian telling how he made a joke about priests, and while a priest actually wrote it was fun, religious associations (not priests!!) went berserk. Such cases are ego trips, however, I can see how it's difficult to handle them in a politically correct manner (I'd tell them to shut the mouth, but it's not possible in real world).

mantap 7y ago

The user is clearly trolling, firstly his name is Christian, he says a Santa hat is a "religious symbol" (???) and display of such religious symbols is almost as offensive as a [nazi] swastika, an offensive statement in itself!

gmueckl 7y ago
Christian is just a common first name. Having a name that is mistaken to mean something in a different language alone does not constitute trolling. It's just random. As for the rest, the net result is very much trolling even if it wasn't the original intent.
- Thorrez 7y ago
  It's not "mistaken to mean something in a different language". The name literally originated as religious reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_(given_name) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_(given_name)
  - matzab 7y ago
    You're just mistaking the word's origin for its meaning. That's just not how any of this works.
    - ominous 7y ago
      Seems to me the same as was done by Christian: mistaking the Santa hat of 2019 with whatever happened before.
    - Thorrez 7y ago
      In both languages (English and German) the name has the same origin I believe, and the same current meaning of a name that doesn't imply the person is of the Christian religion. I think it's wrong to say that there's a language confusion of being too religious, since the name has the same religiosity in both languages.
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halgir 7y ago

There's also some amusing issues being reported in response: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+label%3A%2Aoff-topic https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3... > Color themes are offensive to blind (and colorblind) users > Snowflake doesn't represent people in the southern hemisphere > Don't add "santa hat" as it's really a coca-cola's santa and I like pepsi more

2fast4you 7y ago
Amusing, but I think inappropriate. The VSCode team shouldn’t have to deal with all of the fake issues raised in their repo
- lykr0n 7y ago
  They delt with the Santa hat issue. Some of those issues have just enough merit. Great example of letting some bullshit slide, other people are going to to want their share.
- buboard 7y ago
  haha, the pinned issue is "why can't i file an issue right now"
- halgir 7y ago
  I agree that it's unfair for the VSCode team to have to deal with trolling for trolling's sake. But I imagine many of the fake issues are a form of protest, and a protest is designed to be inconvenient for the sake of raising awareness and making your point heard. It's like a strike. Is a coal miner's strike "fair" to consumers who are dealt power outages or price hikes? No, but the whole point is to generate inconvenience. I sympathize with the VSCode team the same way I sympathize with front-line customer support at an airline with striking baggage handlers. But that doesn't make the strike less meritable. In this way I think the fake reports are like any other market action used to demonstrate dismay with a certain behavior, like strikes, protests or boycotts.
- shantly 7y ago
  They set the precedent by dealing with one already. The saying “don’t feed the trolls” exists for a reason.

tu7001 7y ago

I dont get it, how Santa Hat can be offensive to anyone at all.

thinkingemote 7y ago
It only needs to be stated that it could be. If someone says something could cause offense, that's enough for others. It only needs 2 people.
hrktb 7y ago
I think the most interesting part of this is we're a few billions on the net now, there's a lot of things we can't and won't get until it blows in our face.
deleted 7y ago
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buboard 7y ago

I kind of agree with Christian that the Christmas thing has gone too far, not just the christmas thing really, but the feasting on whatever manages to pass itself for "religion" nowadays, including earth days, and some ideologies, and all. We can agree to disagree in what each of us celebrates and keep it there, it's ugly when they push these commercial festivals through software and design (halloween, christmas, new year's, gay prides, whatever). Religions are insular and thus fundamentally incompatible with the internet's lowest-common-denominator culture. The smaller that culture is , the better it is for everyone. Coming from a christian background, i agree that we need less blinking lights and more actual understanding between people.

2fast4you 7y ago

I agree, the Santa doesn’t belong in VSCode, or any other tool, but not for the reasons outlined in this issue. I don’t want my editor changing its UI every year for the holidays

thinkingemote 7y ago
I find VLC having a hat raises a smile in me and makes my life a tiny weeny little bit better as if the tool was written by other humans. I can live without it but it's nice

Accacin 7y ago

I'm not offended by a Santa hat, I'm just fed up of everything trying to shoehorn Christmas into everything for what purpose exactly? I'm from a tradionally Christian country, and I'm not in the slightest bit religious and for the last four years I've gone China in December so that I can avoid most of the festive period in peace. I don't need every single product and service telling me that Christmas is coming, I'm aware of the fact. Stop using it to sell your products!

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OneFamousGrouse 7y ago
> for the last four years I've gone China in December so that I can avoid most of the festive period in peace. This sounds like the premise of a christmas TV movie.

abjKT26nO8 7y ago

I find it amusing that someone would recognize the Santa hat as a religious symbol. All that I associate it with is the season of intrusive marketing. Never would I associate it with Christianity itself regardless of my thoughts about the religion. Of course, thanks to the association with the ads for products I find the image kitsch and repulsive, so wouldn't mind if it disappeared from software as well. Regarding the Jewish issue, I have no opinion.

Grue3 7y ago

Should've just called it a Ded Moroz (Grandfather Frost) hat. It's a Russian version of Santa Claus who is completely secular.

iLemming 7y ago
Ded Moroz wears blue hat though.
mlvljr 7y ago
And that's when we should claim copyright for our very own grampa frost!

sleepychu 7y ago

The user was trolling... https://github.com/Christian-Schiffer/servicelayer.chat/wiki https://github.com/Christian-Schiffer/servicelayer.chat/wiki

2fast4you 7y ago
That page wasn’t written by Christian, I was written by one of the users that’s been harassing them. https://github.com/Christian-Schiffer/servicelayer.chat/wiki/Home/_history https://github.com/Christian-Schiffer/servicelayer.chat/wiki...