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Ugh dealing with this from the employee side right now. Just had my perf review and was told I was not meeting expectations and then promptly let go. I had neve

Ugh dealing with this from the employee side right now. Just had my perf review and was told I was not meeting expectations and then promptly let go. I had never previously been told that I wasn't meeting expectations, and the things I was apparently missing over the last ~8 months would have been easy to fix or explain at the time if I'd had any feedback. This from a company where execs have multiple times in the three years I've been here stood up in front of the company and said "if no one has told you you're not performing well then you're doing fine, you'll know if you're underperforming." Also a company that had layoffs just a month ago, no idea why they kept me just to let me go now. Is what it is and just time to move on but still frustrating.

wldlyinaccurate 7y ago
Every time I read something like this it blows my mind that there are still places in the world where you can be "let go" so easily. I'm really sorry to hear that this happened to you. I hope your next employer can be more communicative.
- loopz 7y ago
  US and especially some states, provides right of employers to fire employees at almost no notice and no cause. However, lawyers and leader roles exist in Europe to provide all the necessary red tape, should this be necessary there too. All they have to do it explain/document it is for the economic health of company and that they've researched alternative solutions. Asia, Russia, Latin America: Expectations of significant protections aren't even reasonable. Everywhere you may sue or win something if due process not followed, but that's about it and could be costly. And then they wonder why nobody has time and energy to win their engineered climate crisis.
arcticbull 7y ago
Haha, I'm having a very similar conversation with my manager, it's hilarious, and fascinating, as I've only really heard about this before and never seen it first-hand. Very unlikely to be let go, which gives me some distance, and now a political battle will ensue as I don't take kindly to shenanigans. I will share this with you, kindred spirit: there's two things you can do better than anyone else. Work harder, and care less. The person who cares least in any given situation has the upper hand.
bryanmgreen 7y ago
If there's one thing that I know is true about bad management, whether it's directly above or a couple levels - they never play by their own rules. At the first display of this, either with big or small examples, every employee should watch their back, take extra efforts to support their colleagues, and prepare an exit strategy - immediately. You may be the perfect employee and think you'll never be let go, but chaos is ruthlessly unbiased.
- x0x0 7y ago
  Graham's manager may also be incompetent inside a larger org that is competent. We had a similar issue in my company, and it is a thing that happens with new managers. They're not yet comfortable giving direct negative feedback so stuff festers and isn't communicated. Nothing to say but that sucks. This could also be a really underhanded way to avoid paying severance or unemployment. In that case, you can claim unemployment even if your company says you were terminated for cause. You'll (my experience, anyway) have to fill out a form with the state saying you were never given negative feedback. The state adjudicator will ask your former employer for copies of your performance reviews and the paper trail of negative feedback. When none is forthcoming, I'd bet you'll get unemployment. It's not much, but it's better than nothing!

wldlyinaccurate 7y ago

Every time I read something like this it blows my mind that there are still places in the world where you can be "let go" so easily. I'm really sorry to hear that this happened to you. I hope your next employer can be more communicative.

loopz 7y ago
US and especially some states, provides right of employers to fire employees at almost no notice and no cause. However, lawyers and leader roles exist in Europe to provide all the necessary red tape, should this be necessary there too. All they have to do it explain/document it is for the economic health of company and that they've researched alternative solutions. Asia, Russia, Latin America: Expectations of significant protections aren't even reasonable. Everywhere you may sue or win something if due process not followed, but that's about it and could be costly. And then they wonder why nobody has time and energy to win their engineered climate crisis.

arcticbull 7y ago

Haha, I'm having a very similar conversation with my manager, it's hilarious, and fascinating, as I've only really heard about this before and never seen it first-hand. Very unlikely to be let go, which gives me some distance, and now a political battle will ensue as I don't take kindly to shenanigans. I will share this with you, kindred spirit: there's two things you can do better than anyone else. Work harder, and care less. The person who cares least in any given situation has the upper hand.

bryanmgreen 7y ago

If there's one thing that I know is true about bad management, whether it's directly above or a couple levels - they never play by their own rules. At the first display of this, either with big or small examples, every employee should watch their back, take extra efforts to support their colleagues, and prepare an exit strategy - immediately. You may be the perfect employee and think you'll never be let go, but chaos is ruthlessly unbiased.

x0x0 7y ago
Graham's manager may also be incompetent inside a larger org that is competent. We had a similar issue in my company, and it is a thing that happens with new managers. They're not yet comfortable giving direct negative feedback so stuff festers and isn't communicated. Nothing to say but that sucks. This could also be a really underhanded way to avoid paying severance or unemployment. In that case, you can claim unemployment even if your company says you were terminated for cause. You'll (my experience, anyway) have to fill out a form with the state saying you were never given negative feedback. The state adjudicator will ask your former employer for copies of your performance reviews and the paper trail of negative feedback. When none is forthcoming, I'd bet you'll get unemployment. It's not much, but it's better than nothing!