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This is an apples and oranges comparison. You are using commercial-grade hardware, with no ECC RAM and other server-grade features. You are also missing RAID,

This is an apples and oranges comparison. You are using commercial-grade hardware, with no ECC RAM and other server-grade features. You are also missing RAID, the UPS power supply and generator backup, as well as redundant Internet connections to different Tier-1 providers.

sudosysgen 7y ago
Ryzen threadripper supports ECC memory actually. And most server grade features you could think about.
- ansible 7y ago
  Yes, but you still have to buy it. Server-grade ECC memory is slower and more expensive than what people typically put in their desktop machines.
NicoJuicy 7y ago
I don't care about ECC https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ I had hardware raid 5 before and it failed, because I used similar hard drives ( 3 drives failed within a month, wasn't expecting that). Working on redundant deployment though ;) -- My quote still stands as I said it
- ansible 7y ago
  > I don't care about ECC https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ And that's fine. Though as a counterpoint: https://louwrentius.com/please-use-zfs-with-ecc-memory.html https://louwrentius.com/please-use-zfs-with-ecc-memory.html > I had hardware raid 5 before and it failed, because I used similar hard drives ( 3 drives failed within a month, wasn't expecting that). Which goes back to my point. You're comparing your home system, with something like one-9's uptime (90% availability over an entire year) with a cloud provider that is going to give you five-9's or better. These are not the same things. And you are going to pay more for each additional 9 of uptime. For your own stuff, yes, of course it can make perfect sense to host it yourself. I've got a personal server running on positively ancient hardware that still manages two-9's availability, and that's fine for my use case. But I wouldn't directly compare that to a cloud provider either.
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    I said my hardware raid failed, I'm still checking georedundancy / failover at sperate locations.

sudosysgen 7y ago

Ryzen threadripper supports ECC memory actually. And most server grade features you could think about.

ansible 7y ago
Yes, but you still have to buy it. Server-grade ECC memory is slower and more expensive than what people typically put in their desktop machines.

NicoJuicy 7y ago

I don't care about ECC https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ I had hardware raid 5 before and it failed, because I used similar hard drives ( 3 drives failed within a month, wasn't expecting that). Working on redundant deployment though ;) -- My quote still stands as I said it

ansible 7y ago
> I don't care about ECC https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ And that's fine. Though as a counterpoint: https://louwrentius.com/please-use-zfs-with-ecc-memory.html https://louwrentius.com/please-use-zfs-with-ecc-memory.html > I had hardware raid 5 before and it failed, because I used similar hard drives ( 3 drives failed within a month, wasn't expecting that). Which goes back to my point. You're comparing your home system, with something like one-9's uptime (90% availability over an entire year) with a cloud provider that is going to give you five-9's or better. These are not the same things. And you are going to pay more for each additional 9 of uptime. For your own stuff, yes, of course it can make perfect sense to host it yourself. I've got a personal server running on positively ancient hardware that still manages two-9's availability, and that's fine for my use case. But I wouldn't directly compare that to a cloud provider either.
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  I said my hardware raid failed, I'm still checking georedundancy / failover at sperate locations.