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But to even question this in today's political world makes you a liberal agitator. I wish I knew how we could reframe these issues as "proper stewardship of our

But to even question this in today's political world makes you a liberal agitator. I wish I knew how we could reframe these issues as "proper stewardship of our commons" vs. "but we need the jobs now!"

hanniabu 7y ago
> I wish I knew how we could reframe these issues as "proper stewardship of our commons" vs. "but we need the jobs now!" You can't, because it's purposely framed that way. You think the ones starting that think they're actually bringing jobs back? Hell no, they just say it b/c I'm sure they're getting benefits and contributions from the oil/gas companies, and unfortunately much of the less educated people in these areas aren't the wiser. I'm sure this is another reason for systemic neglect of the education system. Less educated people are easier to control and brainwash.
TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
It's ironic that “liberal” means “left of centre” in US politics, because it's liberalism in the classical sense that is the ideology behind so much of the destruction of the commons.
- giggles_giggles 7y ago
  And also the ideology that has lifted half of the world's poor out of extreme poverty just since 2010 (not to mention the changes over the last century) so maybe we could give it a little credit.
vmchale 7y ago
In American politics you don't even need to deliver on the jobs. You can just make some shit up and blame everybody's problems on something else (e.g. free trade, immigrants) and then whip up a frenzy and never deliver. But even after consistently never delivering you're still on the side of the people. Somehow.
- bamboozled 7y ago
  It would be cool if there was a (website?) which clearly showed the amount of promises a politician actually keeps. It would be nice to see it put together in a nice, visual way too so everyone can understand it. Ie, verified number of jobs delivered to said community etc. It would be also nice to have donations clearly labelled against a politicians profile. The major issue for me is there is a major lack of transparency and accountability in politics right now, globally. Honestly, I feel like the old four year term system is just way too out of date with the current crisis we need to solve.
  - lotsofpulp 7y ago
    It’s not possible because it’s simply not easy to measure many complicated things, such as job growth over many years due to specific actions or infrastructure development that takes a decade or more, but politicians go in and out quicker and voters minds don’t pay attention for that long.
- sjg007 7y ago
  You do actually need to deliver economic growth but that is a lagging indicator. If the economy goes south and you are President, you will lose your job. The House and Senate are somewhat shielded because their politics is local. Also bear in mind that one of the political parties caters to single issue voters.

hanniabu 7y ago

> I wish I knew how we could reframe these issues as "proper stewardship of our commons" vs. "but we need the jobs now!" You can't, because it's purposely framed that way. You think the ones starting that think they're actually bringing jobs back? Hell no, they just say it b/c I'm sure they're getting benefits and contributions from the oil/gas companies, and unfortunately much of the less educated people in these areas aren't the wiser. I'm sure this is another reason for systemic neglect of the education system. Less educated people are easier to control and brainwash.

TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago

It's ironic that “liberal” means “left of centre” in US politics, because it's liberalism in the classical sense that is the ideology behind so much of the destruction of the commons.

giggles_giggles 7y ago
And also the ideology that has lifted half of the world's poor out of extreme poverty just since 2010 (not to mention the changes over the last century) so maybe we could give it a little credit.

vmchale 7y ago

In American politics you don't even need to deliver on the jobs. You can just make some shit up and blame everybody's problems on something else (e.g. free trade, immigrants) and then whip up a frenzy and never deliver. But even after consistently never delivering you're still on the side of the people. Somehow.

bamboozled 7y ago
It would be cool if there was a (website?) which clearly showed the amount of promises a politician actually keeps. It would be nice to see it put together in a nice, visual way too so everyone can understand it. Ie, verified number of jobs delivered to said community etc. It would be also nice to have donations clearly labelled against a politicians profile. The major issue for me is there is a major lack of transparency and accountability in politics right now, globally. Honestly, I feel like the old four year term system is just way too out of date with the current crisis we need to solve.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  It’s not possible because it’s simply not easy to measure many complicated things, such as job growth over many years due to specific actions or infrastructure development that takes a decade or more, but politicians go in and out quicker and voters minds don’t pay attention for that long.
sjg007 7y ago
You do actually need to deliver economic growth but that is a lagging indicator. If the economy goes south and you are President, you will lose your job. The House and Senate are somewhat shielded because their politics is local. Also bear in mind that one of the political parties caters to single issue voters.