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jacob019 7y ago
Yes. When did we start thinking that there is something wrong with the landfill. A properly managed landfill is a perfectly responsible way to dispose of plastic. Get the oil from the ground, make it into useful things, then put it back when we're done.
- catalogia 7y ago
  > When did we start thinking that there is something wrong with the landfill. In the 80s from what I understand, in response to the Mobro 4000 incident: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/01/01/what-happened-to-90s-environmentalism/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/01/01/what-happened-to-90s-e...
- iforgotpassword 7y ago
  Maybe I'm just and old gnarly dude, maybe I focus on the bad parts of society too much, but I don't trust the people running these kinds of things enough. At the end of the day it's still capitalism, you might be budget restricted, you want to pay yourself a bigger bonus, whatever. I don't trust that even just the majority of landfills are constructed to contain the waste long enough. And what incentive should you have to build them that way? It's enough if they hold up until you retire from your management position. Maybe if you have some sort of moral values you might think of your grandchildren and add a couple years. But after that, who cares. Long gone, somebody else's problem.
Shalle135 7y ago
Export it to Sweden https://www.trtworld.com/europe/swedish-recycling-so-successful-it-is-importing-rubbish-24491 https://www.trtworld.com/europe/swedish-recycling-so-success...
- CogitoCogito 7y ago
  That article says that 99% of waste is recycled in Sweden, but also points out that a large part of that is incinerated. I don't really understand how incineration can be called recycling. The cycle literally ends at that point. That's not to say it's better than many alternatives (the article claims it's better than most landfills), but let's call it what it is.
  - msl 7y ago
    > The cycle literally ends at that point. Not quite. It turns out that even the ashes have their uses [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incinerator_bottom_ash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incinerator_bottom_ash
  - wongarsu 7y ago
    If you replace an oil-fired power plant with an incineration plant you save oil that you can now use to make high quality plastic. If you squint hard enough that is recycling trash to oil. Of course oil-fired power plants aren't really used anymore (at grid scale), so it's more like recycling trash into coal or natural gas.
    - CogitoCogito 7y ago
      The fact that incinerating trash may lead to using slightly oil is not recycling. Just like driving your car more slowly to increase its efficiency is not recycling. I don't remotely understand your reasoning.

Yes. When did we start thinking that there is something wrong with the landfill. A properly managed landfill is a perfectly responsible way to dispose of plastic. Get the oil from the ground, make it into useful things, then put it back when we're done.

catalogia 7y ago
> When did we start thinking that there is something wrong with the landfill. In the 80s from what I understand, in response to the Mobro 4000 incident: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/01/01/what-happened-to-90s-environmentalism/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/01/01/what-happened-to-90s-e...
iforgotpassword 7y ago
Maybe I'm just and old gnarly dude, maybe I focus on the bad parts of society too much, but I don't trust the people running these kinds of things enough. At the end of the day it's still capitalism, you might be budget restricted, you want to pay yourself a bigger bonus, whatever. I don't trust that even just the majority of landfills are constructed to contain the waste long enough. And what incentive should you have to build them that way? It's enough if they hold up until you retire from your management position. Maybe if you have some sort of moral values you might think of your grandchildren and add a couple years. But after that, who cares. Long gone, somebody else's problem.

Shalle135 7y ago

Export it to Sweden https://www.trtworld.com/europe/swedish-recycling-so-successful-it-is-importing-rubbish-24491 https://www.trtworld.com/europe/swedish-recycling-so-success...

CogitoCogito 7y ago
That article says that 99% of waste is recycled in Sweden, but also points out that a large part of that is incinerated. I don't really understand how incineration can be called recycling. The cycle literally ends at that point. That's not to say it's better than many alternatives (the article claims it's better than most landfills), but let's call it what it is.
- msl 7y ago
  > The cycle literally ends at that point. Not quite. It turns out that even the ashes have their uses [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incinerator_bottom_ash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incinerator_bottom_ash
- wongarsu 7y ago
  If you replace an oil-fired power plant with an incineration plant you save oil that you can now use to make high quality plastic. If you squint hard enough that is recycling trash to oil. Of course oil-fired power plants aren't really used anymore (at grid scale), so it's more like recycling trash into coal or natural gas.
  - CogitoCogito 7y ago
    The fact that incinerating trash may lead to using slightly oil is not recycling. Just like driving your car more slowly to increase its efficiency is not recycling. I don't remotely understand your reasoning.