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I guess this is related to fracking? I seen something before that Pennsylvania doesn't allow certain waste, so the companies put it in trucks and pay to put it

by Keverw 7y ago

I guess this is related to fracking? I seen something before that Pennsylvania doesn't allow certain waste, so the companies put it in trucks and pay to put it in injection wells in Ohio by the barrel. Pretty sad Ohio accepts money to dump other states waste. Looked it up to confirm about how waste from Pennsylvania gets dumped in Ohio: https://environmentohiocenter.org/programs/ohc/ohio-fracking-waste-dumping-ground https://environmentohiocenter.org/programs/ohc/ohio-fracking... Even caused a earthquake in Youngstown, which isn't where you'd typically expect earthquakes. https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2018/10/12/fracking-wastewater-from-pa-usually-ends-up-in-ohio-some-residents-say-theyve-had-enough/ https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2018/10/12/fracking... Then it gets into the water supply too. https://www.nrdc.org/stories/ohio-communities-are-becoming-dumping-ground-fracking-industry https://www.nrdc.org/stories/ohio-communities-are-becoming-d... Remember seeing a video once where someone could light the water coming out of their kitchen sink facet on fire. https://youtu.be/4LBjSXWQRV8 https://youtu.be/4LBjSXWQRV8 I don't know why state leadership allow this stuff to happen. Then you have the brain drain problem, Ohio is losing highly educated residents to other states with more opportunities, especially when it comes to tech. I feel like Ohio is moving backwards and not innovating. Maybe in Columbus or Cincinnati, things are better but still probably dwarfs in comparison to opportunities in Silicon Valley or Austin.

jtbayly 7y ago
That "confirmation" link in no way confirms that this leak was related in any way to fracking or dumping. If I were to bet, it is unrelated. Methane and natural gas are not the waste products you would be pumping into an old well.
- Keverw 7y ago
  Was talking in general about allowing dumping, but clarified my post.
ufmace 7y ago
> Remember seeing a video once where someone could light the water coming out of their kitchen sink facet on fire. Note that this happens more often completely naturally than as a result of any drilling operations. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_seep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_seep for more info. Oil and gas in economically useful amounts is generally deeper underground below https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprock that prevents it from flowing upward. If that caprock was not there, then the oil would not have accumulated in that location in the first place. Oil wells generally have multiple layers of steel casing and cement between the wellbore and the shallow water table at the time. This is necessary to protect the integrity of the wellbore throughout the drilling process and to ensure that any produced oil goes to the surface collector, where it can be used, instead of leaking all over the place. It is also mandated by regulations in most jurisdictions. Meanwhile, the same natural processes that cause oil and gas to be produced and migrate upwards happen in many locations. In some, there is caprock deep underground that causes them to accumulate in volumes that make sense to drill wells into. In other locations, they may naturally flow all the way to the surface, or flow into shallower underground water tables and end up in residential water supplies.
mywittyname 7y ago
> I don't know why state leadership allow this stuff to happen. Ohio is an incredibly "business friendly" state, Common Sense Initiatives are the euphemism now. There's almost no taxes on businesses, property tax abatement are handed out to developers like candy, yet the state still wants to fund massive highway projects and employ lots of government workers. Only so much of these costs can be pushed onto the workers, so they have to look for money in other places. Hence, turning the state a for profit garbage dump.
malingo 7y ago
In 2005 almost 14% of solid waste disposed in Ohio was from out of state [1]. I don't know how that compares to other states, but it seems like a lot. In the years since, I wouldn't be surprised if the number has increased. Edit: sure enough, in 2017 the percentage of out-of-state waste has increased to 21.5% [2]. [1] https://epa.ohio.gov/portals/47/facts/2005_out_of_state_waste.pdf https://epa.ohio.gov/portals/47/facts/2005_out_of_state_wast... (PDF) [2] https://epa.ohio.gov/portals/34/document/guidance/gd_1008.pdf https://epa.ohio.gov/portals/34/document/guidance/gd_1008.pd... (PDF)

by Keverw 7y ago

jtbayly 7y ago

That "confirmation" link in no way confirms that this leak was related in any way to fracking or dumping. If I were to bet, it is unrelated. Methane and natural gas are not the waste products you would be pumping into an old well.

Keverw 7y ago
Was talking in general about allowing dumping, but clarified my post.

ufmace 7y ago

> Remember seeing a video once where someone could light the water coming out of their kitchen sink facet on fire. Note that this happens more often completely naturally than as a result of any drilling operations. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_seep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_seep for more info. Oil and gas in economically useful amounts is generally deeper underground below https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprock that prevents it from flowing upward. If that caprock was not there, then the oil would not have accumulated in that location in the first place. Oil wells generally have multiple layers of steel casing and cement between the wellbore and the shallow water table at the time. This is necessary to protect the integrity of the wellbore throughout the drilling process and to ensure that any produced oil goes to the surface collector, where it can be used, instead of leaking all over the place. It is also mandated by regulations in most jurisdictions. Meanwhile, the same natural processes that cause oil and gas to be produced and migrate upwards happen in many locations. In some, there is caprock deep underground that causes them to accumulate in volumes that make sense to drill wells into. In other locations, they may naturally flow all the way to the surface, or flow into shallower underground water tables and end up in residential water supplies.

mywittyname 7y ago

> I don't know why state leadership allow this stuff to happen. Ohio is an incredibly "business friendly" state, Common Sense Initiatives are the euphemism now. There's almost no taxes on businesses, property tax abatement are handed out to developers like candy, yet the state still wants to fund massive highway projects and employ lots of government workers. Only so much of these costs can be pushed onto the workers, so they have to look for money in other places. Hence, turning the state a for profit garbage dump.

malingo 7y ago

In 2005 almost 14% of solid waste disposed in Ohio was from out of state [1]. I don't know how that compares to other states, but it seems like a lot. In the years since, I wouldn't be surprised if the number has increased. Edit: sure enough, in 2017 the percentage of out-of-state waste has increased to 21.5% [2]. [1] https://epa.ohio.gov/portals/47/facts/2005_out_of_state_waste.pdf https://epa.ohio.gov/portals/47/facts/2005_out_of_state_wast... (PDF) [2] https://epa.ohio.gov/portals/34/document/guidance/gd_1008.pdf https://epa.ohio.gov/portals/34/document/guidance/gd_1008.pd... (PDF)