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Agreed, this is a huge relief. I was getting quite worried that Mozilla would go to Discord, like Rust and other projects have done. I don't know anything about

Agreed, this is a huge relief. I was getting quite worried that Mozilla would go to Discord, like Rust and other projects have done. I don't know anything about Matrix, but I know it's free, and if it has Mozilla's endorsement, now I'm actually curious to try it... maybe even via an IRC bridge!

iudqnolq 7y ago
FYI #rust-beginners is on discord, but many of the teams have transitioned to Zulip because it has threads. I'd love if Zulip was OSS, but at least it's a highly innovative company that's improved a lot on the UX of IRC (far beyond not needing to setup a bouncer). The mismatch between Discord's targeted audience of gamers can get funny at times. One rust dev has had their status we to "playing systemd" for days. Edit: How did I miss that Zulip is open source??? Thank you to the commentators who pointed this out, you made my day :) Edit2: Just learned what I said about rust decision-making was totally wrong. Thanks to Rob Pike in the other thread for his detailed comments.
- jpeeler 7y ago
  You're talking about https://github.com/zulip/zulip https://github.com/zulip/zulip, right? It was open sourced in 2015.
- eslaught 7y ago
  Zulip is open source: https://github.com/zulip/zulip https://github.com/zulip/zulip
- deleted 7y ago
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- cjbprime 7y ago
  I wouldn't describe Zulip as coming from the IRC tradition -- it was built by MIT students as an improvement on MIT's Zephyr. There's a split between line-at-a-time messaging like IRC or Slack, and paragraphs-at-a-time messaging with per-message channels like Zephyr, Gale, and now Zulip. I really miss the paragraphs style.
  - pmoriarty 7y ago
    Wait, why can't you type a paragraph at a time in IRC?
    - dsypa 7y ago
      You can type a paragraph if it is not too long, but you can't write several paragraphs.
    - cjbprime 7y ago
      I said "paragraphs-at-a-time", not "paragraph-at-a-time". You can't type paragraphs at a time on IRC because a single message can't contain newlines. But even then, paragraph-at-a-time is hard on IRC because there's a max line length that's surprisingly short (and usually just truncates the rest of your message once you exceed it!), and just because you'd stand out as being the person writing much more than everyone else and being slow to reply. IRC simply isn't a medium designed for carefully considered thought like that.
      - jordigh 7y ago
        > a medium designed for carefully considered thought like that. "Sorry this is so long. I didn't have time to make it shorter."
- iudqnolq 7y ago
  I know I'm not supposed to talk about voting, but I'm going to anyway. Why are people upvoting me? The comment is completely useless because almost everything in it is wrong.
  - coldpie 7y ago
    I upvoted you because "playing systemd" made me laugh. Also I hadn't heard of Zulip. Upvotes are cheap.
- asymmetric 7y ago
  Where’s the other thread with Rob Pike?
  - iudqnolq 7y ago
    There isn't one, because ... I'm not even sure what I was thinking, except that I probably should have gotten a few more hours of sleep last night. Maybe I was thinking about this comment by someone else when I wrote that???: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kibwen https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kibwen
bsder 7y ago
> I was getting quite worried that Mozilla would go to Discord, like Rust and other projects have done. Just so you know, the Rust Embedded guys went with Matrix back in June and several people do use the IRC bridge. https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/issues/357 https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/issues/357

iudqnolq 7y ago

FYI #rust-beginners is on discord, but many of the teams have transitioned to Zulip because it has threads. I'd love if Zulip was OSS, but at least it's a highly innovative company that's improved a lot on the UX of IRC (far beyond not needing to setup a bouncer). The mismatch between Discord's targeted audience of gamers can get funny at times. One rust dev has had their status we to "playing systemd" for days. Edit: How did I miss that Zulip is open source??? Thank you to the commentators who pointed this out, you made my day :) Edit2: Just learned what I said about rust decision-making was totally wrong. Thanks to Rob Pike in the other thread for his detailed comments.

jpeeler 7y ago
You're talking about https://github.com/zulip/zulip https://github.com/zulip/zulip, right? It was open sourced in 2015.
eslaught 7y ago
Zulip is open source: https://github.com/zulip/zulip https://github.com/zulip/zulip
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cjbprime 7y ago
I wouldn't describe Zulip as coming from the IRC tradition -- it was built by MIT students as an improvement on MIT's Zephyr. There's a split between line-at-a-time messaging like IRC or Slack, and paragraphs-at-a-time messaging with per-message channels like Zephyr, Gale, and now Zulip. I really miss the paragraphs style.
- pmoriarty 7y ago
  Wait, why can't you type a paragraph at a time in IRC?
  - dsypa 7y ago
    You can type a paragraph if it is not too long, but you can't write several paragraphs.
  - cjbprime 7y ago
    I said "paragraphs-at-a-time", not "paragraph-at-a-time". You can't type paragraphs at a time on IRC because a single message can't contain newlines. But even then, paragraph-at-a-time is hard on IRC because there's a max line length that's surprisingly short (and usually just truncates the rest of your message once you exceed it!), and just because you'd stand out as being the person writing much more than everyone else and being slow to reply. IRC simply isn't a medium designed for carefully considered thought like that.
    - jordigh 7y ago
      > a medium designed for carefully considered thought like that. "Sorry this is so long. I didn't have time to make it shorter."
iudqnolq 7y ago
I know I'm not supposed to talk about voting, but I'm going to anyway. Why are people upvoting me? The comment is completely useless because almost everything in it is wrong.
- coldpie 7y ago
  I upvoted you because "playing systemd" made me laugh. Also I hadn't heard of Zulip. Upvotes are cheap.
asymmetric 7y ago
Where’s the other thread with Rob Pike?
- iudqnolq 7y ago
  There isn't one, because ... I'm not even sure what I was thinking, except that I probably should have gotten a few more hours of sleep last night. Maybe I was thinking about this comment by someone else when I wrote that???: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kibwen https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=kibwen

bsder 7y ago

> I was getting quite worried that Mozilla would go to Discord, like Rust and other projects have done. Just so you know, the Rust Embedded guys went with Matrix back in June and several people do use the IRC bridge. https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/issues/357 https://github.com/rust-embedded/wg/issues/357