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Is it a smart idea to build your own mailing list to decouple your reliance from platform's notification system?

by kiba 7y ago

pjc50 7y ago
Feasible? Yes. One-tenth as lucrative? Probably. But it is a useful fallback if you're at risk of getting banned. It's not just the notification system to existing subscribers as the recommendation - free advertising - to people who are not already subscribers. And PDP gets a huge benefit from this advertising.
- penagwin 7y ago
  > if you're at risk of getting banned Which is unfortunately anyone and everyone on YouTube
judge2020 7y ago
Yes, CPG Grey has one and talks about it in https://youtu.be/DIssymQvrbU https://youtu.be/DIssymQvrbU
flir 7y ago
Email's the only social network outside the reach of a major corp. It's always a better idea.
- convolvatron 7y ago
  not..really? try running a personal server. its subject to all sorts of opaque policies wrt getting mail accepted by the big guys. at least can you host on some other big guy and probably be able to send, but I wouldn't say 'outside the reach'
- DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
  I’m surprised Google hasn’t tried to turn GMail into a walled-garden yet. Not as an instant policy-change - but by starting by extending email (e.g. pushing everyone to use SMTP/TLS and initially refusing to send emails to SMTP recipients without TLS, then a few years later refusing to accept emails from unauthenticated message senders, then improving e-mail (e.g. interactive forms directly in emails, etc) in a way that only other Gmail users can benefit from (like iMessage vs SMS, despite using the same app and UI) - eventually Gmail would be too far ahead of everyone else for features and be walled-off. It hasn’t happened yet - but it _could_ happen - especially as more large companies are using or considering Gmail for their corporate e-mail.
  - 1996 7y ago
    Oh, but they already have. Setup your email server following absolutely every best practice, even the most optional ones, then try to mail yourself on gmail. Then mark it as not spam. Then keep trying and you will figure out it already happened.
  - leonroy 7y ago
    To be honest I think they are converting parts of Gmail (or the Calendar part) into a walled garden already. I struggled yesterday to copy a work appointment from my Gmail Calendar in the web browser to my personal Calendar in Calendar.app on my Mac. No option in Google Calendar to export the calendar event as an ICS at all. Google Calendar events also don’t seem to contain ICS files either. I think CalDAV and ICS are now niche enough that Google feels it can afford to neglect these. So long as email has big competitors like Microsoft’s O365 Google can’t make a play to break email standards but if O365 declines in usage I bet Google will try to sow up the email market.

Is it a smart idea to build your own mailing list to decouple your reliance from platform's notification system?

by kiba 7y ago

Is it a smart idea to build your own mailing list to decouple your reliance from platform's notification system?

Feasible? Yes. One-tenth as lucrative? Probably. But it is a useful fallback if you're at risk of getting banned. It's not just the notification system to existing subscribers as the recommendation - free advertising - to people who are not already subscribers. And PDP gets a huge benefit from this advertising.

penagwin 7y ago
> if you're at risk of getting banned Which is unfortunately anyone and everyone on YouTube

judge2020 7y ago

Yes, CPG Grey has one and talks about it in https://youtu.be/DIssymQvrbU https://youtu.be/DIssymQvrbU

flir 7y ago

Email's the only social network outside the reach of a major corp. It's always a better idea.

convolvatron 7y ago
not..really? try running a personal server. its subject to all sorts of opaque policies wrt getting mail accepted by the big guys. at least can you host on some other big guy and probably be able to send, but I wouldn't say 'outside the reach'
DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
I’m surprised Google hasn’t tried to turn GMail into a walled-garden yet. Not as an instant policy-change - but by starting by extending email (e.g. pushing everyone to use SMTP/TLS and initially refusing to send emails to SMTP recipients without TLS, then a few years later refusing to accept emails from unauthenticated message senders, then improving e-mail (e.g. interactive forms directly in emails, etc) in a way that only other Gmail users can benefit from (like iMessage vs SMS, despite using the same app and UI) - eventually Gmail would be too far ahead of everyone else for features and be walled-off. It hasn’t happened yet - but it _could_ happen - especially as more large companies are using or considering Gmail for their corporate e-mail.
- 1996 7y ago
  Oh, but they already have. Setup your email server following absolutely every best practice, even the most optional ones, then try to mail yourself on gmail. Then mark it as not spam. Then keep trying and you will figure out it already happened.
- leonroy 7y ago
  To be honest I think they are converting parts of Gmail (or the Calendar part) into a walled garden already. I struggled yesterday to copy a work appointment from my Gmail Calendar in the web browser to my personal Calendar in Calendar.app on my Mac. No option in Google Calendar to export the calendar event as an ICS at all. Google Calendar events also don’t seem to contain ICS files either. I think CalDAV and ICS are now niche enough that Google feels it can afford to neglect these. So long as email has big competitors like Microsoft’s O365 Google can’t make a play to break email standards but if O365 declines in usage I bet Google will try to sow up the email market.