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Nice, given how the discussions were going some months ago I was worried that they would pick some closed source solution like Discord or Slack. I have not used

by jeltz 7y ago

Nice, given how the discussions were going some months ago I was worried that they would pick some closed source solution like Discord or Slack. I have not used Matrix so I do not know how good it is, but I do not like the lock-in of Discord and Slack.

mehhh 7y ago
Matrix can bridge in IRC, Slack, Gitter and a few other protocols very nicely, it reminds me of Pidgin but with much better UX.
- Vinnl 7y ago
  I haven't managed to properly use Matrix myself, but I am part of a number of Gitter rooms that includes people using the Matrix bridge. I certainly wouldn't call that bridge "nice": all their messages are posted by a single user called matrixbot, that simply prefixes it message by their Matrix username in backticks. I'm not sure if the people in the room who aren't aware of Matrix understand that that's what's going on.
  - ptman 7y ago
    Maybe a limitation of the gitter api? Better than nothing, but improvement welcome
    - Vinnl 7y ago
      I understand why it works this way and I wouldn't know how to do it better; it was more of a general critique of the bridging approach, I guess, and hence a reluctance from my side to call it nice.
jordigh 7y ago
Agreed, this is a huge relief. I was getting quite worried that Mozilla would go to Discord, like Rust and other projects have done. I don't know anything about Matrix, but I know it's free, and if it has Mozilla's endorsement, now I'm actually curious to try it... maybe even via an IRC bridge!
- iudqnolq 7y ago
  FYI #rust-beginners is on discord, but many of the teams have transitioned to Zulip because it has threads. I'd love if Zulip was OSS, but at least it's a highly innovative company that's improved a lot on the UX of IRC (far beyond not needing to setup a bouncer). The mismatch between Discord's targeted audience of gamers can get funny at times. One rust dev has had their status we to "playing systemd" for days. Edit: How did I miss that Zulip is open source??? Thank you to the commentators who pointed this out, you made my day :) Edit2: Just learned what I said about rust decision-making was totally wrong. Thanks to Rob Pike in the other thread for his detailed comments.
  - jpeeler 7y ago
    You're talking about https://github.com/zulip/zulip https://github.com/zulip/zulip, right? It was open sourced in 2015.
  - eslaught 7y ago
    Zulip is open source: https://github.com/zulip/zulip https://github.com/zulip/zulip
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - cjbprime 7y ago
    I wouldn't describe Zulip as coming from the IRC tradition -- it was built by MIT students as an improvement on MIT's Zephyr. There's a split between line-at-a-time messaging like IRC or Slack, and paragraphs-at-a-time messaging with per-message channels like Zephyr, Gale, and now Zulip. I really miss the paragraphs style.
    - pmoriarty 7y ago
      Wait, why can't you type a paragraph at a time in IRC?
      - 7y ago

by jeltz 7y ago

mehhh 7y ago

Matrix can bridge in IRC, Slack, Gitter and a few other protocols very nicely, it reminds me of Pidgin but with much better UX.

Vinnl 7y ago
I haven't managed to properly use Matrix myself, but I am part of a number of Gitter rooms that includes people using the Matrix bridge. I certainly wouldn't call that bridge "nice": all their messages are posted by a single user called matrixbot, that simply prefixes it message by their Matrix username in backticks. I'm not sure if the people in the room who aren't aware of Matrix understand that that's what's going on.
- ptman 7y ago
  Maybe a limitation of the gitter api? Better than nothing, but improvement welcome
  - Vinnl 7y ago
    I understand why it works this way and I wouldn't know how to do it better; it was more of a general critique of the bridging approach, I guess, and hence a reluctance from my side to call it nice.

jordigh 7y ago

Agreed, this is a huge relief. I was getting quite worried that Mozilla would go to Discord, like Rust and other projects have done. I don't know anything about Matrix, but I know it's free, and if it has Mozilla's endorsement, now I'm actually curious to try it... maybe even via an IRC bridge!

iudqnolq 7y ago
FYI #rust-beginners is on discord, but many of the teams have transitioned to Zulip because it has threads. I'd love if Zulip was OSS, but at least it's a highly innovative company that's improved a lot on the UX of IRC (far beyond not needing to setup a bouncer). The mismatch between Discord's targeted audience of gamers can get funny at times. One rust dev has had their status we to "playing systemd" for days. Edit: How did I miss that Zulip is open source??? Thank you to the commentators who pointed this out, you made my day :) Edit2: Just learned what I said about rust decision-making was totally wrong. Thanks to Rob Pike in the other thread for his detailed comments.
- jpeeler 7y ago
  You're talking about https://github.com/zulip/zulip https://github.com/zulip/zulip, right? It was open sourced in 2015.
- eslaught 7y ago
  Zulip is open source: https://github.com/zulip/zulip https://github.com/zulip/zulip
- deleted 7y ago
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- cjbprime 7y ago
  I wouldn't describe Zulip as coming from the IRC tradition -- it was built by MIT students as an improvement on MIT's Zephyr. There's a split between line-at-a-time messaging like IRC or Slack, and paragraphs-at-a-time messaging with per-message channels like Zephyr, Gale, and now Zulip. I really miss the paragraphs style.
  - pmoriarty 7y ago
    Wait, why can't you type a paragraph at a time in IRC?
    - 7y ago