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Edward Snowden just gave me permission to steal and distribute this book. Have fun

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
did he? I noticed he wrote: The government may steal a dollar, but it cannot erase the idea that earned it. I wrote this book, Permanent Record, for you, and I hope the government's ruthless desperation to prevent its publication only inspires you read it—and then gift it to another. -- https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1207624251953549312 https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1207624251953549312
- mikro2nd 7y ago
  So read it and send Ed a dollar (or Bitcoin equiv.)
  - post_break 7y ago
    I think it's illegal to send him any money due to him being an enemy of the state.
    - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
      not in the US so I probably would be fine (maybe)
    - bynkman 7y ago
      If that's the case, maybe donate to the EFF.
      - hanniabu 7y ago
        EFF = Electronic frontiers foundation?
        DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
        too late, I already paid the Ethiopian Football Federation
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
      The mere fact that you can't say for sure his exact status should raise a giant red flag about the state of our republic. He is certainly targeted and watched. If you send him money, you will likely be watched more carefully as well. Buying his book is a symbol of defiance more than anything else. That said, Snowden is not covered by official sanctions and does not even come up on Dow Jones as PEP or person of interest. source: sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov dowjones.com
      - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
        wouldn't it be normal for indictments to be under seal? I agree with all your points though.
        A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
        Agreed, but it does not make sending him funds illegal by virtue of being enemy of the state ( although I will admit I struggle with parsing that phrase ), which is the question posed by the original poster. Edit: brackets edit2: also, the fact that he may be potentially indicted does not mean it is illegal to give him money. Those are two separate issues
      - post_break 7y ago
        But there was this executive order? https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/01/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-engaging-significant-m https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/0...
        A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
        Ok. I am not an attorney. My views are my own. No purchase necessary. Not FDIC insured. YMMV. Consult a real lawyer. Don't be an idiot. You right in a sense that when you read this, Snowden could easily be argued to fit the mold. However, you will note that it later says that the actual designation ( verified here with treasury link I added ) is up to SOS and other involved individuals. Note, that at the time I checked it, Snowden was not on that list and apparently has not been since issuance of this EO. At least not yet. edit, because there always exceptions: see wikileaks and note neither he nor his creation was sanctioned by OFAC either. However, that did not stop the state from making donations.. challenging.
    - mmjaa 7y ago
      American problems.
    - feanaro 7y ago
      To be just a tiny bit flippant about it, is it illegal not to live in the USA too?
    - jacquesm 7y ago
      He's not an enemy of my state.
    - Aaronstotle 7y ago
      How would they know you sent him money? Furthermore, unless it's a large amount of funds, I don't think anyone will be prosecuted for sending him funds.
    - mikro2nd 7y ago
      1. I am not in your state. 2. Is Bitcoin money?
- chasing 7y ago
  Does it say somewhere in the article that the government is attempt to prevent its publication? Sounds like they're just stripping his profits.
  - gknoy 7y ago
    When one cannot prevent the publication, one can prevent any reward that the author might get from it. It's not a far stretch to consider this to be aimed (at least partially) at discouraging such publications.
    - mark-r 7y ago
      If by profits we're talking about the publisher's and not just Snowden's, this could be a very effective way of getting the book off the shelves.
  - buboard 7y ago
    there's a case that deplatforming of this kind is similar to censorship
- mattynice 7y ago
  He most certainly did: In response to: "Perhaps you'll consider releasing it under creative commons 2.0 at some point :)." He said: "I don't own the rights—the publisher does—but if you're extremely online, you can find a copy in the usual places." https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1207628691234316288 https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1207628691234316288
  - colejohnson66 7y ago
    That’s not saying you’re free to do so. That’s saying, if you want to, here’s how. There’s a fine line between the two. In other words: He doesn’t own the rights, so he can’t tell you what you can do with it; Only the publisher can.
mmjaa 7y ago
I'm cool with that. I will steal it, for sure, and make sure it gets read.
alexnewman 7y ago
For all the people who downvoted me. Steal this book is a famous title. Please consider upvoting me back.

did he? I noticed he wrote: The government may steal a dollar, but it cannot erase the idea that earned it. I wrote this book, Permanent Record, for you, and I hope the government's ruthless desperation to prevent its publication only inspires you read it—and then gift it to another. -- https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1207624251953549312 https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1207624251953549312

mikro2nd 7y ago
So read it and send Ed a dollar (or Bitcoin equiv.)
- post_break 7y ago
  I think it's illegal to send him any money due to him being an enemy of the state.
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    not in the US so I probably would be fine (maybe)
  - bynkman 7y ago
    If that's the case, maybe donate to the EFF.
    - hanniabu 7y ago
      EFF = Electronic frontiers foundation?
      - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
        too late, I already paid the Ethiopian Football Federation
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
    The mere fact that you can't say for sure his exact status should raise a giant red flag about the state of our republic. He is certainly targeted and watched. If you send him money, you will likely be watched more carefully as well. Buying his book is a symbol of defiance more than anything else. That said, Snowden is not covered by official sanctions and does not even come up on Dow Jones as PEP or person of interest. source: sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov dowjones.com
    - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
      wouldn't it be normal for indictments to be under seal? I agree with all your points though.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
        Agreed, but it does not make sending him funds illegal by virtue of being enemy of the state ( although I will admit I struggle with parsing that phrase ), which is the question posed by the original poster. Edit: brackets edit2: also, the fact that he may be potentially indicted does not mean it is illegal to give him money. Those are two separate issues
    - post_break 7y ago
      But there was this executive order? https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/01/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-engaging-significant-m https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/0...
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
        Ok. I am not an attorney. My views are my own. No purchase necessary. Not FDIC insured. YMMV. Consult a real lawyer. Don't be an idiot. You right in a sense that when you read this, Snowden could easily be argued to fit the mold. However, you will note that it later says that the actual designation ( verified here with treasury link I added ) is up to SOS and other involved individuals. Note, that at the time I checked it, Snowden was not on that list and apparently has not been since issuance of this EO. At least not yet. edit, because there always exceptions: see wikileaks and note neither he nor his creation was sanctioned by OFAC either. However, that did not stop the state from making donations.. challenging.
  - mmjaa 7y ago
    American problems.
  - feanaro 7y ago
    To be just a tiny bit flippant about it, is it illegal not to live in the USA too?
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    He's not an enemy of my state.
  - Aaronstotle 7y ago
    How would they know you sent him money? Furthermore, unless it's a large amount of funds, I don't think anyone will be prosecuted for sending him funds.
  - mikro2nd 7y ago
    1. I am not in your state. 2. Is Bitcoin money?
chasing 7y ago
Does it say somewhere in the article that the government is attempt to prevent its publication? Sounds like they're just stripping his profits.
- gknoy 7y ago
  When one cannot prevent the publication, one can prevent any reward that the author might get from it. It's not a far stretch to consider this to be aimed (at least partially) at discouraging such publications.
  - mark-r 7y ago
    If by profits we're talking about the publisher's and not just Snowden's, this could be a very effective way of getting the book off the shelves.
- buboard 7y ago
  there's a case that deplatforming of this kind is similar to censorship
mattynice 7y ago
He most certainly did: In response to: "Perhaps you'll consider releasing it under creative commons 2.0 at some point :)." He said: "I don't own the rights—the publisher does—but if you're extremely online, you can find a copy in the usual places." https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1207628691234316288 https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1207628691234316288
- colejohnson66 7y ago
  That’s not saying you’re free to do so. That’s saying, if you want to, here’s how. There’s a fine line between the two. In other words: He doesn’t own the rights, so he can’t tell you what you can do with it; Only the publisher can.

mmjaa 7y ago

I'm cool with that. I will steal it, for sure, and make sure it gets read.

alexnewman 7y ago

For all the people who downvoted me. Steal this book is a famous title. Please consider upvoting me back.