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Meanwhile I have a 64GB DDR5, 512SSD and 4 TB 7200 RPM hard drive, Ryzen ( 2700 - 8 core @3,2Ghz) for 900$ as a docker host kicking cloud butt. Indeed, I don't

Meanwhile I have a 64GB DDR5, 512SSD and 4 TB 7200 RPM hard drive, Ryzen ( 2700 - 8 core @3,2Ghz) for 900$ as a docker host kicking cloud butt. Indeed, I don't need global-wide services though. But it's more than enough for my localized SAAS. I'll probably add some PI4's in a cluster and experiment with that ( eg. Hosting 2 message brokers instead of one) or the elastic search that requires 1,5 GB RAM ( I'm not sure yet), since I don't want that in the same server.

samsquire 7y ago
I've got a 128GB RAM 32 core Threadripper. It purrs.
ansible 7y ago
This is an apples and oranges comparison. You are using commercial-grade hardware, with no ECC RAM and other server-grade features. You are also missing RAID, the UPS power supply and generator backup, as well as redundant Internet connections to different Tier-1 providers.
- sudosysgen 7y ago
  Ryzen threadripper supports ECC memory actually. And most server grade features you could think about.
  - ansible 7y ago
    Yes, but you still have to buy it. Server-grade ECC memory is slower and more expensive than what people typically put in their desktop machines.
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  I don't care about ECC https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ I had hardware raid 5 before and it failed, because I used similar hard drives ( 3 drives failed within a month, wasn't expecting that). Working on redundant deployment though ;) -- My quote still stands as I said it
  - ansible 7y ago
    > I don't care about ECC https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ And that's fine. Though as a counterpoint: https://louwrentius.com/please-use-zfs-with-ecc-memory.html https://louwrentius.com/please-use-zfs-with-ecc-memory.html > I had hardware raid 5 before and it failed, because I used similar hard drives ( 3 drives failed within a month, wasn't expecting that). Which goes back to my point. You're comparing your home system, with something like one-9's uptime (90% availability over an entire year) with a cloud provider that is going to give you five-9's or better. These are not the same things. And you are going to pay more for each additional 9 of uptime. For your own stuff, yes, of course it can make perfect sense to host it yourself. I've got a personal server running on positively ancient hardware that still manages two-9's availability, and that's fine for my use case. But I wouldn't directly compare that to a cloud provider either.
    - NicoJuicy 7y ago
      I said my hardware raid failed, I'm still checking georedundancy / failover at sperate locations.

samsquire 7y ago

I've got a 128GB RAM 32 core Threadripper. It purrs.

ansible 7y ago

This is an apples and oranges comparison. You are using commercial-grade hardware, with no ECC RAM and other server-grade features. You are also missing RAID, the UPS power supply and generator backup, as well as redundant Internet connections to different Tier-1 providers.

sudosysgen 7y ago
Ryzen threadripper supports ECC memory actually. And most server grade features you could think about.
- ansible 7y ago
  Yes, but you still have to buy it. Server-grade ECC memory is slower and more expensive than what people typically put in their desktop machines.
NicoJuicy 7y ago
I don't care about ECC https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ I had hardware raid 5 before and it failed, because I used similar hard drives ( 3 drives failed within a month, wasn't expecting that). Working on redundant deployment though ;) -- My quote still stands as I said it
- ansible 7y ago
  > I don't care about ECC https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/to-ecc-or-not-to-ecc/ And that's fine. Though as a counterpoint: https://louwrentius.com/please-use-zfs-with-ecc-memory.html https://louwrentius.com/please-use-zfs-with-ecc-memory.html > I had hardware raid 5 before and it failed, because I used similar hard drives ( 3 drives failed within a month, wasn't expecting that). Which goes back to my point. You're comparing your home system, with something like one-9's uptime (90% availability over an entire year) with a cloud provider that is going to give you five-9's or better. These are not the same things. And you are going to pay more for each additional 9 of uptime. For your own stuff, yes, of course it can make perfect sense to host it yourself. I've got a personal server running on positively ancient hardware that still manages two-9's availability, and that's fine for my use case. But I wouldn't directly compare that to a cloud provider either.
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    I said my hardware raid failed, I'm still checking georedundancy / failover at sperate locations.