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Its so simple for me. Just like with weed.... Legalize it! Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. O

Its so simple for me. Just like with weed.... Legalize it! Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Of course, have law enforcement root out the kiddie stuff, and have a legal framework to ensure safety (STI testing, etc) but my goodness, the efforts we currently go through to catch consenting adults in mutual benefit...

throw_m239339 7y ago
> Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Because "legalizing it" doesn't stop sex trafficking or sexual exploitation, in fact all evidences point to the contrary, it increases sex slavery. https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/12/17/the-child-sexual-abuse-hidden-behind-the-sex-work-facade/ https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/12/17/the-child-sexual-abuse...?
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- throw_m67657 7y ago
  The article paints a sad picture ...although your conclusion seems far fetched. Even marriage can be made into paid rape by the wordings of that article. AFAIK ... decriminalization allows for 1. The sex worker to approach authorities without any fear of prosecution. 2. To set up freelance sex work without pimps and brothels. There shouldn't be a debate about this. Criminalization makes things worse at the expense of moral tidiness. Regulated sex work allows for 1. Brothels 2. Strip clubs 3. Massage parlors 4. Sex Therapists If the regulators are corrupt or weak or there are no strong checks ... then the model will be as bad as an unregulated market and will actually be worse as it allows trafficked victims to work under quasi-legal protection. That's what the article implies. From what I know the nordic model has a large number of social services that help sex-workers quit the profession if they wish to and helps sex-workers unionise.
  - briandear 7y ago
    > From what I know the nordic model has a large number of social services that help sex-workers quit the profession if they wish to. Interesting. Do they have social services for those that wish to quit computer programming? Or quit hair dressing? The fact that there needs to be a social service around this particular profession is indicative that this particular profession is probably harmful to the service provider and it probably also means that this isn’t a profession that a girl willingly accepts and perhaps there is value to not promoting this industry.
    - Nasrudith 7y ago
      Personally I see plenty of reasons why independent of industry value. It is also a more physically oriented job that carries some risk of disease exposure, really shouldn't be worked sick, and some accounts mention an emotional toll and an emphasis on appearance. Individually all aspects aren't unique and some have more severe magnitudes. Given the income is higher than many other available jobs it could be easy to become dependent upon it for income. A good ethical reason for support is that consent is an ongoing process.
    - josinalvo 7y ago
      Maybe they should have for jobs that are physically dangerous/have a high incidence of workplace physical or mental harm. Like, say, working on a mine. The argument goes like this: Person A is in such a bad situation that A will accept a job that is terrible! Prohibiting the job has a good chance of making A worse off (usually, A will accept the job if A thinks it is an improvement over the current situation) However, we can let A accept the job, and then try to offer A even better alternatives!
  - throw_m239339 7y ago
    Nothing you said is a rebuttal to my previous comment. Please argue with sources or it's just your opinion, and it's irrelevant as it doesn't answer the question of whether "legalizing" sex work decreases sex trafficking. It clearly does not according to my sources.
excalibur 7y ago
There is no federal prohibition against prostitution like there is against marijuana. This can be effectively accomplished at the State or even local level. Talk to your representatives, start ballot initiatives. Another avenue that may be worth exploring is opening brothels on reservations, similar to casinos.
- blackearl 7y ago
  Rhode Island accidentally did it for a while. (yes accidentally) - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/17/when-rhode-island-accidentally-legalized-prostitution-rape-and-stis-decreased-sharply/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/17/when-...
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > There is no federal prohibition against prostitution like there is against marijuana. Not directly,at least applicable to the states, but there are a variety of federal prohibitions around the sex trade which complicate it, and there'd probably be federal will for a direct ban if most states didn't prohibit it entirely and the fee remaining didn't prohibit it in most of their territory. Neither major party broadly supports legalized prostitution, for superficially different reasons. > Another avenue that may be worth exploring is opening brothels on reservations, similar to casinos. Not possible without changes to federal law, federal law prohibits prostitution on tribal land, while casinos are regulated by federal law which allows them with tribal-state gaming compacts.
SN76477 7y ago
pursuing most crimes are not worth the social or financial impact.
codingdave 7y ago
Sex trafficking is not consenting adults. There is a significant difference between a sex worker who voluntarily engages in their profession vs. people who are forced into it.
- shams93 7y ago
  If you legalize it you can arrest the human traffickers while enabling professional sex workers to be professionals just look at the enlightened approach to the problem taken by Australia. No brothels allowed and no pimps but independent sex work is legal.
  - fw_double_e 7y ago
    so you're advocating for regulatory capture? That'll go just like the legal pot industry; prohibitively expensive licensing that only goes to the already big players in the game.
    - throwno 7y ago
      Wow, if prostitution is legal that means we can have prostitution startups, and prostitution IPOs! Corporate prostitution backed by SoftBank and Saudi sovereign wealth! What a world we're making!
      - Fjolsvith 7y ago
        Is that what's happening in Canada?
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      Except the sex industry isn't at all as scalable as the pot industry. You can't grow a field of ass and sell it yourself. Plus, the cost of entry is pretty low, I hear.
      - yters 7y ago
        Robot sex will be the next big thing.
sqldevuser 7y ago
sex trafficking is objectively not right. What is wrong with you?
- logophobia 7y ago
  He probably means legalizing prostitution, which would (hopefully) reduce trafficking if the demand can be met legally.

throw_m239339 7y ago

> Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Because "legalizing it" doesn't stop sex trafficking or sexual exploitation, in fact all evidences point to the contrary, it increases sex slavery. https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/12/17/the-child-sexual-abuse-hidden-behind-the-sex-work-facade/ https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/12/17/the-child-sexual-abuse...?

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throw_m67657 7y ago
The article paints a sad picture ...although your conclusion seems far fetched. Even marriage can be made into paid rape by the wordings of that article. AFAIK ... decriminalization allows for 1. The sex worker to approach authorities without any fear of prosecution. 2. To set up freelance sex work without pimps and brothels. There shouldn't be a debate about this. Criminalization makes things worse at the expense of moral tidiness. Regulated sex work allows for 1. Brothels 2. Strip clubs 3. Massage parlors 4. Sex Therapists If the regulators are corrupt or weak or there are no strong checks ... then the model will be as bad as an unregulated market and will actually be worse as it allows trafficked victims to work under quasi-legal protection. That's what the article implies. From what I know the nordic model has a large number of social services that help sex-workers quit the profession if they wish to and helps sex-workers unionise.
- briandear 7y ago
  > From what I know the nordic model has a large number of social services that help sex-workers quit the profession if they wish to. Interesting. Do they have social services for those that wish to quit computer programming? Or quit hair dressing? The fact that there needs to be a social service around this particular profession is indicative that this particular profession is probably harmful to the service provider and it probably also means that this isn’t a profession that a girl willingly accepts and perhaps there is value to not promoting this industry.
  - Nasrudith 7y ago
    Personally I see plenty of reasons why independent of industry value. It is also a more physically oriented job that carries some risk of disease exposure, really shouldn't be worked sick, and some accounts mention an emotional toll and an emphasis on appearance. Individually all aspects aren't unique and some have more severe magnitudes. Given the income is higher than many other available jobs it could be easy to become dependent upon it for income. A good ethical reason for support is that consent is an ongoing process.
  - josinalvo 7y ago
    Maybe they should have for jobs that are physically dangerous/have a high incidence of workplace physical or mental harm. Like, say, working on a mine. The argument goes like this: Person A is in such a bad situation that A will accept a job that is terrible! Prohibiting the job has a good chance of making A worse off (usually, A will accept the job if A thinks it is an improvement over the current situation) However, we can let A accept the job, and then try to offer A even better alternatives!
- throw_m239339 7y ago
  Nothing you said is a rebuttal to my previous comment. Please argue with sources or it's just your opinion, and it's irrelevant as it doesn't answer the question of whether "legalizing" sex work decreases sex trafficking. It clearly does not according to my sources.

excalibur 7y ago

There is no federal prohibition against prostitution like there is against marijuana. This can be effectively accomplished at the State or even local level. Talk to your representatives, start ballot initiatives. Another avenue that may be worth exploring is opening brothels on reservations, similar to casinos.

blackearl 7y ago
Rhode Island accidentally did it for a while. (yes accidentally) - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/17/when-rhode-island-accidentally-legalized-prostitution-rape-and-stis-decreased-sharply/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/17/when-...
dragonwriter 7y ago
> There is no federal prohibition against prostitution like there is against marijuana. Not directly,at least applicable to the states, but there are a variety of federal prohibitions around the sex trade which complicate it, and there'd probably be federal will for a direct ban if most states didn't prohibit it entirely and the fee remaining didn't prohibit it in most of their territory. Neither major party broadly supports legalized prostitution, for superficially different reasons. > Another avenue that may be worth exploring is opening brothels on reservations, similar to casinos. Not possible without changes to federal law, federal law prohibits prostitution on tribal land, while casinos are regulated by federal law which allows them with tribal-state gaming compacts.

SN76477 7y ago

pursuing most crimes are not worth the social or financial impact.

codingdave 7y ago

Sex trafficking is not consenting adults. There is a significant difference between a sex worker who voluntarily engages in their profession vs. people who are forced into it.

shams93 7y ago
If you legalize it you can arrest the human traffickers while enabling professional sex workers to be professionals just look at the enlightened approach to the problem taken by Australia. No brothels allowed and no pimps but independent sex work is legal.
- fw_double_e 7y ago
  so you're advocating for regulatory capture? That'll go just like the legal pot industry; prohibitively expensive licensing that only goes to the already big players in the game.
  - throwno 7y ago
    Wow, if prostitution is legal that means we can have prostitution startups, and prostitution IPOs! Corporate prostitution backed by SoftBank and Saudi sovereign wealth! What a world we're making!
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      Is that what's happening in Canada?
  - Fjolsvith 7y ago
    Except the sex industry isn't at all as scalable as the pot industry. You can't grow a field of ass and sell it yourself. Plus, the cost of entry is pretty low, I hear.
    - yters 7y ago
      Robot sex will be the next big thing.

sqldevuser 7y ago

sex trafficking is objectively not right. What is wrong with you?

logophobia 7y ago
He probably means legalizing prostitution, which would (hopefully) reduce trafficking if the demand can be met legally.