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Oh cmon. I live in Europe and I'm all for legalizing drugs, all drugs, but only a few popular drugs come to my mind which are more harmful then MDMA... America

Oh cmon. I live in Europe and I'm all for legalizing drugs, all drugs, but only a few popular drugs come to my mind which are more harmful then MDMA... Americans can talk about how harmful fake MDMA is and how you can manage risk better if it's legal. But anyone living in Europe, where there's loads of high quality stuff selling for a few euros per dose, and socialising with other users can easily see the harm it does.

rocgf 7y ago
As far as drugs go, legal and illegal, MDMA is fairly safe, unless abused. But I think that's irrelevant when it comes to legalizing or decriminalizing. It doesn't really matter how bad it is for you since, at the moment, nothing is stopping you from buying and swallowing as much as you can. The ones who will do harm with it when legalized are the same ones who do it now. The legality of it does not do anything to stop harm from being done.
golergka 7y ago
I think you're confusing MDMA and ecstasy. Most non-users think they're the same thing, when, in reality, they're like tea and Nestea: MDMA is the main component of XTC pills, but they often also have MDA, 2CB, amphetamine, methamphetamine, mephedrone and other components inside, which break through habitual users tolerance, but also significantly raise neurotoxicity and hangover. Pure crystal MDMA is much less toxic and often can surprise someone who used pills before by an almost complete lack of suicide Tuesday syndrome.
- justsomecoder 7y ago
  Yes, although many ecstacy pills tested in the Netherlands consistently show that they have very high purity in terms of the MDMA content and almost never contain the other things you mentioned bar some occassional exceptions (like the PMMA containing pills, which is ofcourse very dangerous).
tpm 7y ago
So can you describe the harm you see it does? I don't see it around me, having friends who have done it a lot when younger. What I do see is MDMA being more and more accepted as a therapeutic tool, given further studies will confirm what the research has told us until now.

rocgf 7y ago

As far as drugs go, legal and illegal, MDMA is fairly safe, unless abused. But I think that's irrelevant when it comes to legalizing or decriminalizing. It doesn't really matter how bad it is for you since, at the moment, nothing is stopping you from buying and swallowing as much as you can. The ones who will do harm with it when legalized are the same ones who do it now. The legality of it does not do anything to stop harm from being done.

golergka 7y ago

I think you're confusing MDMA and ecstasy. Most non-users think they're the same thing, when, in reality, they're like tea and Nestea: MDMA is the main component of XTC pills, but they often also have MDA, 2CB, amphetamine, methamphetamine, mephedrone and other components inside, which break through habitual users tolerance, but also significantly raise neurotoxicity and hangover. Pure crystal MDMA is much less toxic and often can surprise someone who used pills before by an almost complete lack of suicide Tuesday syndrome.

justsomecoder 7y ago
Yes, although many ecstacy pills tested in the Netherlands consistently show that they have very high purity in terms of the MDMA content and almost never contain the other things you mentioned bar some occassional exceptions (like the PMMA containing pills, which is ofcourse very dangerous).

tpm 7y ago

So can you describe the harm you see it does? I don't see it around me, having friends who have done it a lot when younger. What I do see is MDMA being more and more accepted as a therapeutic tool, given further studies will confirm what the research has told us until now.