3 ms·

The vast majority of narco crime in NL is done by ethnic Dutch people. Sure, there's other ethnicities too. Like most crime, generally it's a pretty representat

The vast majority of narco crime in NL is done by ethnic Dutch people. Sure, there's other ethnicities too. Like most crime, generally it's a pretty representative mix of the poorer classes. Immigration causes all kinds of things, good and bad, but increased drug crime isn't really on the list so far. Source: I live in the south of NL (narco hotspot) and I read the local newspaper. Majority of drug criminals caught have Dutch names. I'm sure there's better stats somewhere but can't be arsed.

iguy 7y ago
To be fair, TFA's take stresses these connections: "Young Moroccans call each other 'Mocro'...", and "... West Africa. The drugs then went north over old smuggling lines from Morocco, and young Moroccans whose parents had moved to the Netherlands still had family connections and migration routes to tap into."
- consp 7y ago
  Only one part of it. Most synthetic drugs are made on site or smuggled in though different routes not involving the parties described. It's a wide mix but due to some "grouping" of certain ethnicity in groups they easily get called out the same while there is a wide variety of people involved. Most is coming in via the Rotterdam harbor (and possibly Vlissingen, IJmuiden and others). And as far as I can read up on it, every ethnic group available is somehow involved in some part of it.
  - iguy 7y ago
    To be clear I don't have a position on this, I don't know enough about NL. The now-invisible top-level comment was being taken to task for stressing the Moroccans' involvement, which the BBC also focused on. I'm sure there are other aspects to the drug business.
hos234 7y ago
Well I have heard narratives about white kids in poorer neighborhoods not applying for that gas station/fast food job because they see it as something that the immigrants do. And then getting stuck in a poverty trap leading to crime. The solutions to that from conservatives is obviously reduce immigration. Progressives need to think about how these kind of dynamics can be changed.

iguy 7y ago

To be fair, TFA's take stresses these connections: "Young Moroccans call each other 'Mocro'...", and "... West Africa. The drugs then went north over old smuggling lines from Morocco, and young Moroccans whose parents had moved to the Netherlands still had family connections and migration routes to tap into."

consp 7y ago
Only one part of it. Most synthetic drugs are made on site or smuggled in though different routes not involving the parties described. It's a wide mix but due to some "grouping" of certain ethnicity in groups they easily get called out the same while there is a wide variety of people involved. Most is coming in via the Rotterdam harbor (and possibly Vlissingen, IJmuiden and others). And as far as I can read up on it, every ethnic group available is somehow involved in some part of it.
- iguy 7y ago
  To be clear I don't have a position on this, I don't know enough about NL. The now-invisible top-level comment was being taken to task for stressing the Moroccans' involvement, which the BBC also focused on. I'm sure there are other aspects to the drug business.

hos234 7y ago

Well I have heard narratives about white kids in poorer neighborhoods not applying for that gas station/fast food job because they see it as something that the immigrants do. And then getting stuck in a poverty trap leading to crime. The solutions to that from conservatives is obviously reduce immigration. Progressives need to think about how these kind of dynamics can be changed.