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> to pretend that all human/computer interaction fits that mold is to be willfully ignorant of the reality of personal computing He doesn't. He has a whole sec

by jph00 7y ago

> to pretend that all human/computer interaction fits that mold is to be willfully ignorant of the reality of personal computing He doesn't. He has a whole section where he points out types of software that mice are great for, even with a picture. He then describes types of software where he thinks keyboard is better (i.e. linear stuff).

_bxg1 7y ago
Not until close to the end (right after where I stopped reading, turns out). He still has some hardline views that I think drastically oversimplify the landscape, but apparently doesn't think mice are completely useless.
- inciampati 7y ago
  Mice are sort of the simplest generic thing technologically possible 50 years ago that people can be taught to use. Touch screens at least will be better. A touch screen and a keyboard based interface is the fastest generic UI. I've been using touch laptops only for years. The mouse dies hard though. It's closer to the keyboard and I'm already proficient with it. I wonder if this will be true for kids growing up now.
  - JaumeGreen 7y ago
    > A touch screen and a keyboard based interface is the fastest generic UI. I've been using touch laptops only for years. The mouse dies hard though. Touch it's ok with laptops, but when working on a desktop computer, with real monitors, some need another interface. I can't reach my screens from where I'm sitting comfortably, and if I could I'd place them further away.
  - rini17 7y ago
    Even if touchscreen is faster (I'm not convinced), it is much less precise. You need huge UI elements, sparsely laid out. Standard rolldown menus are fine with mouse, awkward with touchscreen.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      Add a pen to the mix and you're golden. I have a touchscreen 2-in-1 device with a pen, and I barely ever use the touchpad anymore.
  - prometheus76 7y ago
    Trying to place a cursor to insert text, or trying to select text in general, can lead one to having to do breathing exercises to keep from punching the screen. I couldn't imagine doing my current job (BI developer) with a touchscreen and no mouse.

by jph00 7y ago

_bxg1 7y ago

Not until close to the end (right after where I stopped reading, turns out). He still has some hardline views that I think drastically oversimplify the landscape, but apparently doesn't think mice are completely useless.

inciampati 7y ago
Mice are sort of the simplest generic thing technologically possible 50 years ago that people can be taught to use. Touch screens at least will be better. A touch screen and a keyboard based interface is the fastest generic UI. I've been using touch laptops only for years. The mouse dies hard though. It's closer to the keyboard and I'm already proficient with it. I wonder if this will be true for kids growing up now.
- JaumeGreen 7y ago
  > A touch screen and a keyboard based interface is the fastest generic UI. I've been using touch laptops only for years. The mouse dies hard though. Touch it's ok with laptops, but when working on a desktop computer, with real monitors, some need another interface. I can't reach my screens from where I'm sitting comfortably, and if I could I'd place them further away.
- rini17 7y ago
  Even if touchscreen is faster (I'm not convinced), it is much less precise. You need huge UI elements, sparsely laid out. Standard rolldown menus are fine with mouse, awkward with touchscreen.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Add a pen to the mix and you're golden. I have a touchscreen 2-in-1 device with a pen, and I barely ever use the touchpad anymore.
- prometheus76 7y ago
  Trying to place a cursor to insert text, or trying to select text in general, can lead one to having to do breathing exercises to keep from punching the screen. I couldn't imagine doing my current job (BI developer) with a touchscreen and no mouse.