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What it has made me actually very grateful for is the sudden revelation - to me - that Dropbox, Google Drive and others are secretly reading files that I never

What it has made me actually very grateful for is the sudden revelation - to me - that Dropbox, Google Drive and others are secretly reading files that I never explicitly asked - or wanted - them to read. macOS now asks and allows me to block by default. No, Google, I DIDN'T intend for you to snoop in my Mac ~/Downloads folder - that area is PRIVATE. So in a way it's good for user Privacy, Apple Inc.-aside.

BuildTheRobots 7y ago
Hang on, Google and Dropbox are snooping around on the filesystem outside of their configuration or explicitly shared folders?
- mindfulhack 7y ago
  Yes. I was shocked at it, but on second thought I'm not surprised. Since Catalina, security prompts come up early on about Dropbox and Google Drive wanting to access your "Downloads" folder. Caught red-handed. I know there's been third-party macOS apps providing this 'filesystem firewall' functionality for years now, but it's nice to have some of it come from Apple directly. I think I will eventually move to Linux, I just don't feel private on my own damn computer anymore. I don't trust Apple either. Or I will harden macOS more and more because of this abuse.
- arh68 7y ago
  Yes maybe, at times, even Chrome: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19653881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19653881
ashton314 7y ago
!!! Holy cow. This is the first compelling reason I've seen to upgrade to Catalina.
fiddlerwoaroof 7y ago
Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate it as a default, it just doesn’t make sense for Terminal.app to not have full disk access from the start: I.e. when I first open the terminal, I should get a security pop up requesting full disk access
- ken 7y ago
  If that's what you want, it looks like you can get that by typing 4 characters. This seems like an awfully small price to pay to allow other people the possibility of much increased security.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 7y ago
    sudo? On Mojave at least, not even root has full disk access
    - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
      I'm not sure what GP is referring to by "four characters", but in Mojave you can add Terminal to Full Disk Access in System Preferences, and I highly recommend it. I assume Catalina would be the same, but I've never actually used Catalina. (And probably never will at this point.)
      - fiddlerwoaroof 7y ago
        Yeah, my point is that Apple should have added a prompt for that permission just like how they have a prompt for accessibility and such.

BuildTheRobots 7y ago

Hang on, Google and Dropbox are snooping around on the filesystem outside of their configuration or explicitly shared folders?

mindfulhack 7y ago
Yes. I was shocked at it, but on second thought I'm not surprised. Since Catalina, security prompts come up early on about Dropbox and Google Drive wanting to access your "Downloads" folder. Caught red-handed. I know there's been third-party macOS apps providing this 'filesystem firewall' functionality for years now, but it's nice to have some of it come from Apple directly. I think I will eventually move to Linux, I just don't feel private on my own damn computer anymore. I don't trust Apple either. Or I will harden macOS more and more because of this abuse.
arh68 7y ago
Yes maybe, at times, even Chrome: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19653881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19653881

ashton314 7y ago

!!! Holy cow. This is the first compelling reason I've seen to upgrade to Catalina.

fiddlerwoaroof 7y ago

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate it as a default, it just doesn’t make sense for Terminal.app to not have full disk access from the start: I.e. when I first open the terminal, I should get a security pop up requesting full disk access

ken 7y ago
If that's what you want, it looks like you can get that by typing 4 characters. This seems like an awfully small price to pay to allow other people the possibility of much increased security.
- fiddlerwoaroof 7y ago
  sudo? On Mojave at least, not even root has full disk access
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    I'm not sure what GP is referring to by "four characters", but in Mojave you can add Terminal to Full Disk Access in System Preferences, and I highly recommend it. I assume Catalina would be the same, but I've never actually used Catalina. (And probably never will at this point.)
    - fiddlerwoaroof 7y ago
      Yeah, my point is that Apple should have added a prompt for that permission just like how they have a prompt for accessibility and such.