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> If I say I don't want you to track my location, I mean exactly that. Not respecting users' wishes like this is a terrible thing to do. Isn't this more of an

> If I say I don't want you to track my location, I mean exactly that. Not respecting users' wishes like this is a terrible thing to do. Isn't this more of an OS level issue?

reaperducer 7y ago
There are ways to track location outside of the operating system. For example, even Facebook says (and the comment you replied to noted) it uses photo tagging and what wifi network you're connected to in order to determine location.
- generalpass 7y ago
  > There are ways to track location outside of the operating system. > For example, even Facebook says (and the comment you replied to noted) it uses photo tagging and what wifi network you're connected to in order to determine location. By photo tagging, do you mean GPS coordinates? Isn't that done by the app that takes the picture? Can't I disable Wi-Fi? If my wireless ISP is giving everyone free access to my location through some sort of IP address or rDNS scheme, isn't this an ISP issue? I mean, can't you make this exact complaint about every single thing you use that connects through an IP address?
  - reaperducer 7y ago
    By photo tagging, do you mean GPS coordinates? Isn't that done by the app that takes the picture? On Facebook and many other social apps you can manually specify the location a photograph was taken. Some apps will ask you for the location if it's not available from the operating system or metadata. Can't I disable Wi-Fi? Sure. Go nuts. But you have to connect to the internet somehow to use the app, so if you're not on wifi, it can get your location from your cellular network.
    - generalpass 7y ago
      Yeah, I notice you didn't address the last paragraph. Any reason you responded so selectively?
Daniel_sk 7y ago
OS can block access to location, but they can still have a coarse location from your IP, tagged photos, checked-in locations, message content and so on. Disabling location tracking in FB should also disable this on the FB server side.
- generalpass 7y ago
  > Disabling location tracking in FB should also disable this on the FB server side. Facebook is free to do with their servers as they please. Don't like it? Don't use it. I don't.
  - zepto 7y ago
    How do we know you aren’t lying?
LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
You can take audio snapshots of unique sounds and compute location from that- when somebody nearby has similar audio and location active.
izacus 7y ago
No, it isn't. Just like breaking into someones house to steal his data isn't an issue of homeowner not having a 2mil$ vault.
- generalpass 7y ago
  > No, it isn't. Just like breaking into someones house to steal his data isn't an issue of homeowner not having a 2mil$ vault. To my knowledge, facebook isn't breaking into anything. This is a terrible analogy.

> If I say I don't want you to track my location, I mean exactly that. Not respecting users' wishes like this is a terrible thing to do. Isn't this more of an OS level issue?

reaperducer 7y ago

There are ways to track location outside of the operating system. For example, even Facebook says (and the comment you replied to noted) it uses photo tagging and what wifi network you're connected to in order to determine location.

generalpass 7y ago
> There are ways to track location outside of the operating system. > For example, even Facebook says (and the comment you replied to noted) it uses photo tagging and what wifi network you're connected to in order to determine location. By photo tagging, do you mean GPS coordinates? Isn't that done by the app that takes the picture? Can't I disable Wi-Fi? If my wireless ISP is giving everyone free access to my location through some sort of IP address or rDNS scheme, isn't this an ISP issue? I mean, can't you make this exact complaint about every single thing you use that connects through an IP address?
- reaperducer 7y ago
  By photo tagging, do you mean GPS coordinates? Isn't that done by the app that takes the picture? On Facebook and many other social apps you can manually specify the location a photograph was taken. Some apps will ask you for the location if it's not available from the operating system or metadata. Can't I disable Wi-Fi? Sure. Go nuts. But you have to connect to the internet somehow to use the app, so if you're not on wifi, it can get your location from your cellular network.
  - generalpass 7y ago
    Yeah, I notice you didn't address the last paragraph. Any reason you responded so selectively?

Daniel_sk 7y ago

OS can block access to location, but they can still have a coarse location from your IP, tagged photos, checked-in locations, message content and so on. Disabling location tracking in FB should also disable this on the FB server side.

generalpass 7y ago
> Disabling location tracking in FB should also disable this on the FB server side. Facebook is free to do with their servers as they please. Don't like it? Don't use it. I don't.
- zepto 7y ago
  How do we know you aren’t lying?

LifeLiverTransp 7y ago

You can take audio snapshots of unique sounds and compute location from that- when somebody nearby has similar audio and location active.

izacus 7y ago

No, it isn't. Just like breaking into someones house to steal his data isn't an issue of homeowner not having a 2mil$ vault.

generalpass 7y ago
> No, it isn't. Just like breaking into someones house to steal his data isn't an issue of homeowner not having a 2mil$ vault. To my knowledge, facebook isn't breaking into anything. This is a terrible analogy.