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>> Sorry, but you appear to have gotten Religion in your science. > I'm not drawing parallels between the two as I'm personally not Religious And if I say “It
by hhas01 7y ago
>> Sorry, but you appear to have gotten Religion in your science.
> I'm not drawing parallels between the two as I'm personally not Religious
And if I say “It’s just a metaphor, dude”, your reply is…?
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Here is your problem:
Having observed that existing systems are corrupt, you devoutly believe that your system will not be. You may be super smart (as you appear to be) but, honestly, you’re kinda naive and just a little bit dumb. I’m not telling you this to hurt you [mods take note], I’m telling you this to help you: to help you avoid hurting yourself, or—worse—others.
You’re just as fallible and foolish and myopic [metaphor!] as everyone, and here you’re telling us you’re on a messianic mission from DNA Jesus. If you aren’t very, VERY careful, you will make yourself Dangerous too. Look at Pauling or Montagnier—even more smart and successful than you, and yet they still went utterly off the rails at the end. How many have suffered and died from being sucked into the whole vast all-absorbing AltMeb web of delusions and deceits, to which Pauling’s Vitamin C quackery is just one of a myriad of gateway drugs?
Protip for Very Smart People: Don’t be a Pauling.
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To answer your question “Have you ever been in an ER or Cancer-ward?”, yes (for various ills) and no (family members got post-surgery mop-up chemo as out-patients). To say “radiation and chemotherapy is a barbaric relic” is grossly naive and ignorant of history: they are an improvement over what went before, just as modern BCS is an improvement over Halstead’s radical mastectomies for everyone, which was still an immeasurable improvement over every person who got breast cancer rotting to death in agony and darkness. Modern chemo has made great improvements since its origins, both in targeting and tolerance. Radiation? Good lord, until the middle of last century grandstanders and grifters were marketing radioactives as beauty products! All lab- and field-proven tools with known costs and benefits, constantly improved and refined.
Once again, you do an atrocious disservice to both practitioners and patients who have sweated and bled to get us even this far. And yes, ACT is bringing in a whole new toolset, and should it be so successful as to obsolete all its predecessors then that’ll be a good thing indeed. But you don’t get there cutting corners: you get there by proving your new therapy significantly improves on the current standard of care. This has nothing to do with the economics of healthcare, which Dog knows in the US is broken AF (and you should consider exactly who benefits by keeping it broken like that).
This is about raw comparative numbers: lives saved, lives lost, survival times between the two, and quality of life across it. You don’t get that by being the Hero who dashes in to save everyone; you get it by doing the work, doing the math, and knowing that you will not save everyone who is sick now, but if you do it right you will save the countless more who fall sick in the years and centuries to come.
You seriously need to step back and wrap a choke leash round that big ego of yours. Your motivation is admirable; your sense of professional and personal liability is not.
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My turn to ask you: Have you ever killed a patient?
Because I have.
Breech birth. Done it plenty times before. Get in there; turn, pull, wallop. Sorted.
Bad one. Start panicking. Tunnel vision (another metaphor). Forgot procedures, training, basic (if there is such a thing) common sense. Should’ve stopped, got help. Did not. Kept going.
Boss found out what’s happening; stepped in, got babby out.
But by then, I’d already torn a hole in mom’s uterus.
Baby lived. Mom bled out.
30 years on and I can still see her lying dead knowing it was me who had done it.
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I was lucky in that Mom was “only” a Cheviot ewe, not a member of Homo Sapiens. I got yelled at, and rightly so, but it’s not like I was up on charges. Far from my only fuckup in life, but one with an early and perhaps fortunate lesson. Now I can be sanguine and joke: Many a fluffy puppy dodged a bullet the day I crashed and burned out of vet pre-med.
Today I write software (Ground-Breaking! Revolutionary! Industry-Changing! no less) and the worst harm I can do is trigger a multi-million dollar product recall and some panic on the shelves. But if there’s a coda to my slow but eventual ability to learn from my own long and embarrassing narrative of total personal balls-ups, it’s that my last few braincells work not to be the Hero of the Day but to make bloody well sure my code has the appropriate checks and feedbacks and fail-safes up the wazoo. So that when it blows up (and it will and does blow up, like every complex imperfect system that works for a living out in the real world) that damage is limited, contained, admitted, acknowleged, and learned from.
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Which is much the same reasons modern research medicine has grown its own checks and balances. Because who in their right mind wants their ego writing the story ending in “killed a whole lot of people we meant to save instead”. So ponder that as you evolve your own narrative, and please remember you are not alone (in every sense, not just metaphor).
- Melting_Harps 7y ago> Especially nerds, who—let’s admit it—are amongst the world’s worst at owning their own screwups. Honestly, if some fiery language is the worst those muppets have to deal with, they don’t know how lucky they are. I was about to just look over this, but then this gave me a chuckle as I agree with you. To answer your question, no, because I never went into Medicine, I was in diagnostics. I find Medicine, especially in the West, to be a costly and bureaucratic nightmare imposed over what I believe is at odds with a Person's Health--be it mental, or physical. None of my work did anything but confirm or deny a physicians inquiry, and thus I can operate in an unbiased and neutral position: this malady does or doesn't exist in the host, what you do with that information is out of my control. And it is that vein that I operate from, if successful we could garner insight from these medical journals from China in order to re-create their work and bring it into a domain beyond the Medical Industrial Complex and offer a 3rd choice to those who see fit to explore those options. Will people get hurt or killed in the process, sure, of course they will, but people die of sports injuries all the time and yet Nike is never held liable for pre-mature torn ligaments or spine injuries, so why should this be any different? Humans have agency, and free will; that should include experimenting on themselves and have to deal with the consequences therein should it not work out, ideally they publish these findings to help others not make that mistake. People can and will experiment on themselves, at least if this does take place you can accelerate the process to refine it in such a way that the Human Species can al benefit, rather than just the affluent Westerner you seem to be touting as the apex of all Humans. Western Medicine is broken, if only because it neglects the importance of preventative medicine, very little is understood about how something so critical like the microbiome in your stomach effects everything from neurological disorders to immunological responses, and yet many cultures, western and eastern alike, advocate for eating fermented foods to do so, others promote fasting as religious practices to reset and pause or correct the rate of metabolism etc... And yet, Western medicine, which is to say allopathic medicine dismisses that entirely for the most part and advocates for furthering its pharmacologic dystopia despite the very obvious crimes it has enabled--Purdue's opioid epidemic is just one of the very many in the US' short medical History. Your argument is very circular, and your rhetoric meandering, but I understand what you are saying; I just think you are applying 20th century thinking to 21st Century mode of operation. Its akin to saying that LibGen is putting the public in danger because it makes all the scientific journals at the hands of the unwashed masses who cannot grasp or come to understand what those of us who have spent time in academia know. Its elitist thinking, that quite frankly turned me off entirely to the formal Education process: despite getting honours' and letters of recommendation throughout my Undergrad to encourage me to further my studies, I don't even like looking at my 'accomplishments' from that period in a positive light, as I see it as an unrecoverable loss of time, ambition and motivation. I personally feel I could have done so much more with that time. Lastly, as this will have to be my last response to this as it has taken far too much of my time already: check out a series on Netflix called UnNatural Selection [1], it highlights the Biohacker community and how it operates (footage from Biohack the World conference is seen), but also shows that the need for traditional medicine still exists and will continue to be as well, but it also underpins the personal, financial and emotional costs it has on the People who suffer from it. Its an awesome 4 episode series, if you have time you can also look at Dr. Zayner's 'brazen' attempt [2] to be the first to alter his entire microbiome, all while being called a fool and reckless endangerment to public safety--and now not only is he much better, but I personally witnessed as the narrative of probiotic use become extremely more prevalent in that time-frame in US MSM and the amount of Kombucha/Kefer companies has followed in suit. Just imagine what we as Health Scientists can do to the Human Species' and by extension the Human Condition if we did this on many facets? 1: https://www.netflix.com/title/80208910 https://www.netflix.com/title/80208910 2: https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/4/11581994/fmt-fecal-matter-transplant-josiah-zayner-microbiome-ibs-c-diff https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/4/11581994/fmt-fecal-matter-...