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Coming from French. I find English spelling easy. I mainly learnt by myself, reading stuff on internet and books. Could not care less about correct pronunciatio

Coming from French. I find English spelling easy. I mainly learnt by myself, reading stuff on internet and books. Could not care less about correct pronunciation though, and I have the thickest 'cliché' french accent. But which of the native English accents would be the correct one anyway? So I decided to consider mine not worse than any. H does not exist by the way.

StavrosK 7y ago
I'm not sure what you mean, you seem to conflate pronunciation and accent. How do you pronounce "bow", "tear" and "row"? When you say you find spelling easy, you mean you find it easy to spell an unknown word when you hear it? Because I'd really like to see that.
- sheepdestroyer 7y ago
  Not sure if the distinction between accent and pronunciation is very relevant here? I have a particular/personal 'French' accent that heavily influences the way I pronounce words. As stated, it mainly comes from the way I learnt : I often straight up applied french pronunciation (but with some basic informed knowledge of what could be the proper way) to what I read. So, to answer your examples, I pronounce those exactly like the french "beau", "tire" and "rot". For me, English has been a mostly literary language for years with most spoken forms coming to me with simultaneous subtiles. So, it's rare that I encounter a new spoken word that I haven't read before, but with time and familiarity you develop some kind of heuristics I guess (and enough of English comes from French that there is no need to be too lucky). I now live in Japan and used to guide, in English, foreign tourists in Kyoto. Amusingly only native speakers seemed to sometimes have difficulties to understand my strange pronunciation/accent.
  - StavrosK 7y ago
    > So, to answer your examples, I pronounce those exactly like the french "beau", "tire" and "rot". That's where the problem comes in: You can't pronounce those words without context. "A row of people was watching the row". "A tear in the painting brought a tear to my eye", "I bow to your skills with the bow".
    - sheepdestroyer 7y ago
      I can : all the same to me. Context, mostly, makes me understood
      - StavrosK 7y ago
        I mean, yes, all languages are easy if you don't care much about correctness.
- Shorel 7y ago
  > I'm not sure what you mean, you seem to conflate pronunciation and accent. The concepts are interrelated. If, for example, a given language uses a single representation for two sounds, it is perceived only as accent. The difference between sh and zh in South American pronunciation of 'yo' (Argentina and Uruguay) is perceived as accent for a Spanish speaker. But they are entirely different consonants for a Polish or Russian speaker. L and R are just accents of the same letter in Japan, and different consonants in English. And some people (like some French) have an accent because there are sounds they can not produce.

StavrosK 7y ago

I'm not sure what you mean, you seem to conflate pronunciation and accent. How do you pronounce "bow", "tear" and "row"? When you say you find spelling easy, you mean you find it easy to spell an unknown word when you hear it? Because I'd really like to see that.

sheepdestroyer 7y ago
Not sure if the distinction between accent and pronunciation is very relevant here? I have a particular/personal 'French' accent that heavily influences the way I pronounce words. As stated, it mainly comes from the way I learnt : I often straight up applied french pronunciation (but with some basic informed knowledge of what could be the proper way) to what I read. So, to answer your examples, I pronounce those exactly like the french "beau", "tire" and "rot". For me, English has been a mostly literary language for years with most spoken forms coming to me with simultaneous subtiles. So, it's rare that I encounter a new spoken word that I haven't read before, but with time and familiarity you develop some kind of heuristics I guess (and enough of English comes from French that there is no need to be too lucky). I now live in Japan and used to guide, in English, foreign tourists in Kyoto. Amusingly only native speakers seemed to sometimes have difficulties to understand my strange pronunciation/accent.
- StavrosK 7y ago
  > So, to answer your examples, I pronounce those exactly like the french "beau", "tire" and "rot". That's where the problem comes in: You can't pronounce those words without context. "A row of people was watching the row". "A tear in the painting brought a tear to my eye", "I bow to your skills with the bow".
  - sheepdestroyer 7y ago
    I can : all the same to me. Context, mostly, makes me understood
    - StavrosK 7y ago
      I mean, yes, all languages are easy if you don't care much about correctness.
Shorel 7y ago
> I'm not sure what you mean, you seem to conflate pronunciation and accent. The concepts are interrelated. If, for example, a given language uses a single representation for two sounds, it is perceived only as accent. The difference between sh and zh in South American pronunciation of 'yo' (Argentina and Uruguay) is perceived as accent for a Spanish speaker. But they are entirely different consonants for a Polish or Russian speaker. L and R are just accents of the same letter in Japan, and different consonants in English. And some people (like some French) have an accent because there are sounds they can not produce.