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Part of it is that language diverged, but it's also because if you're in country X talking about country Y and you have a long enough history you'll have a word
by chownie 7y ago
Part of it is that language diverged, but it's also because if you're in country X talking about country Y and you have a long enough history you'll have a word in language X for country Y.
I recall a story but I'm not sure of its authenticity, it described western traders asking portuguese translators to give them the pronunciation of 日本 (Nihon/Nippon the native word for Japan). The PT translators interpreted the characters through Mandarin and come out with "Jipangu" which would be the root etymology for our english term "Japan".
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoNot Mandarin, but some unspecified southern dialect (probably Fujianese/Hokkien, where it's Jitpun). If Mandarin had been involved, we'd call Japan something like Arben (Riben) in English.
- yorwba 7y agoThe reconstructed Middle Chinese pronunciation for 日本 is /ȵiɪt̚ puən/. In some languages, such as Japanese, the ȵ became an n. In others, such as Mandarin, it denasalized to a fricative like ʐ̩ instead. The etymology for English "Japan" /dʒəˈpæn/ is apparently Portuguese "Japão" /ʒɐ.ˈpɐ̃w̃/ via Malay "Jepun" /d͡ʒəpon/, via Min Nan 日本 (Ji̍t-pún) /ʑit̚⁴⁻³² pun⁴¹/ which itself is probably a loan (using Min readings of the characters), since the Min languages split off the Chinese branch before 日本 came to be used for Japan. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC#Pronunciation https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC#Pronunciat...