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In Germany this isn't even a thing.

lnsru 7y ago
Have you tried it? One still has “Anzeigepflicht des Arbeitnehmers” (duty to report). And then your boss has a right to forbid your activity. It is a very thing in Germany.
- mosselman 7y ago
  I have no knowledge of this, I am reacting purely to your comment and the Twitter thread: But 'duty to report' is not the same as 'everything you do is ours'. The duty to report sounds more like "you are not allowed to have another job next to this one unless you get approval". Which in some cases is logical: an employer wants you to be on your A-game, but if you work 2 other jobs you might be tired all day and not deliver any good work.
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- maze-le 7y ago
  Have you? This is only relevant if your invention is in direct competition to the business at hand.
  - lnsru 7y ago
    I am building electrical measurement equipment daily and tried to sell couple peripherals for Raspberry Pi as side project. The stupid thing is, that you don’t decide what’s in direct competition. That decides a lawyer and I got rejection since both were electrical systems :-))
    - maze-le 7y ago
      Sorry to hear that. That's seriously fucked up, and I am almost sure that it wouldn't stand in court >> that you don’t decide what’s in direct competition. That decides a lawyer No. If in doubt a court decides it, not an encroaching law department -- but nobody wants that to happen so everyone silences themselves beforehand... Just one more reason for me never to be employed by a company with more than 150 employees
  - Xylakant 7y ago
    It's not: See https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/arbnerfg/__18.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/arbnerfg/__18.html You must report everything that is not clearly and obviously unrelated to an employers business. That's different from "direct competition". The circumstances under which an employer can make claims to it are more nuanced: If it's related to a field that the employer has business in or is preparing to have business in, they get a right of first buy for at least a non-exclusive license. And that's the problem with google: They do basically everything IT-related. Whatever you might invent - it will likely be related to field google is in or is preparing to be in.
- moooo99 7y ago
  Are you sure this applies to open source contributions? I always thought this would only apply to commercial side projects or inventions. Open source contributions don't seem to fit in either of those categories.

Have you tried it? One still has “Anzeigepflicht des Arbeitnehmers” (duty to report). And then your boss has a right to forbid your activity. It is a very thing in Germany.

mosselman 7y ago
I have no knowledge of this, I am reacting purely to your comment and the Twitter thread: But 'duty to report' is not the same as 'everything you do is ours'. The duty to report sounds more like "you are not allowed to have another job next to this one unless you get approval". Which in some cases is logical: an employer wants you to be on your A-game, but if you work 2 other jobs you might be tired all day and not deliver any good work.
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maze-le 7y ago
Have you? This is only relevant if your invention is in direct competition to the business at hand.
- lnsru 7y ago
  I am building electrical measurement equipment daily and tried to sell couple peripherals for Raspberry Pi as side project. The stupid thing is, that you don’t decide what’s in direct competition. That decides a lawyer and I got rejection since both were electrical systems :-))
  - maze-le 7y ago
    Sorry to hear that. That's seriously fucked up, and I am almost sure that it wouldn't stand in court >> that you don’t decide what’s in direct competition. That decides a lawyer No. If in doubt a court decides it, not an encroaching law department -- but nobody wants that to happen so everyone silences themselves beforehand... Just one more reason for me never to be employed by a company with more than 150 employees
- Xylakant 7y ago
  It's not: See https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/arbnerfg/__18.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/arbnerfg/__18.html You must report everything that is not clearly and obviously unrelated to an employers business. That's different from "direct competition". The circumstances under which an employer can make claims to it are more nuanced: If it's related to a field that the employer has business in or is preparing to have business in, they get a right of first buy for at least a non-exclusive license. And that's the problem with google: They do basically everything IT-related. Whatever you might invent - it will likely be related to field google is in or is preparing to be in.
moooo99 7y ago
Are you sure this applies to open source contributions? I always thought this would only apply to commercial side projects or inventions. Open source contributions don't seem to fit in either of those categories.