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They can recognize your face as you tap at the turnstile. Maybe they don’t do it now, but if they currently don’t they will in the name of anti-terrorism.

tempguy9999 7y ago
They don't have realtime face recognition on buses and trains. > Maybe they don’t do it now, but if they currently don’t they will in the name of anti-terrorism. Do people like you, total fatalists who simply roll over when challenged, shouting "we're all fucked so get used to it", do you actually get off on it? Do you enjoy telling people like me who try to maintain privacy not just for myself but so as to improve the privacy of others, that any effort they put in is wasted? Do you like frustrating people like me who have actually tried, in putting pressure on councils to comply with GDPR and data protection for example (slow and ongoing currently), tried to make the world a better place for others? Are you trolling; do you like destroying other people's efforts to improve things; or are you clueless as to the corrosive effects posts like this are having? Do you see any cost in hopelessness? Have you ever done anything significant to protect your own privacy, never mind others? Do you like to see yourself as not as a free agent but a ragdoll that the state is free to play with? Or do you wish to feel that making an effort in society is plain worthless, which allows you a clear conscience in not doing anything? Just curious.
- johnr2 7y ago
  > Do people like you.... Your post comes across as an ad-hominem attack. I read the post you're replying to as a warning, nothing more.
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    Thank you for the perspective. I suppose it was ad hom. I can't take his post in any way constructively (if it was a warning what am I supposed to do about it? Does he think I'm so stupid I can't see the risk already?) and while I don't doubt it was an honest comment, despite my suggestion of trolling which I regret making, I seriously doubt the poster considered the damaging effect it has on general discourse - or doing something about it himself. It was was ad hom because I see his reply as outright destructive. If the poster replied, I'd be happy to talk and to delete my post and perhaps we both could gain. And I'd feel a lot happier! I'd feel like something changed. But instead, downvotes instead of answers. I've had enough of HN. So many smart people, but then the rest... Please feel free to flag that post of mine. DanG, please ban me.
    - bookofjoe 7y ago
      Your comment brings to mind my experience on reddit: no matter how innocuous something I wrote seemed to me, someone attacked me for it. I finally bailed.
      - tempguy9999 7y ago
        I'm sorry to hear it :( That may be what's happened here, an innocuous comment mis-taken by myself. But before I go finally, tell me please in your view what was a reasonable interpretation of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21823201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21823201 I pretty well described how it came across to me, effectively that we're all in a surveillance society and if we aren't we soon will be like it or not. I can salvage nothing worthwhile from that poisonous nihilism.
        bookofjoe 7y ago
        It does seem a bit harsh, what with a number of signalling words etc.
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  I read that as realism, not fatalism. And not indicating any level of agreement or support of the prospect. Your ad hom is utterly uncalled for.
brokenmachine 7y ago
Remember, pedophiles get the train too. Won't you think of the children?

tempguy9999 7y ago

They don't have realtime face recognition on buses and trains. > Maybe they don’t do it now, but if they currently don’t they will in the name of anti-terrorism. Do people like you, total fatalists who simply roll over when challenged, shouting "we're all fucked so get used to it", do you actually get off on it? Do you enjoy telling people like me who try to maintain privacy not just for myself but so as to improve the privacy of others, that any effort they put in is wasted? Do you like frustrating people like me who have actually tried, in putting pressure on councils to comply with GDPR and data protection for example (slow and ongoing currently), tried to make the world a better place for others? Are you trolling; do you like destroying other people's efforts to improve things; or are you clueless as to the corrosive effects posts like this are having? Do you see any cost in hopelessness? Have you ever done anything significant to protect your own privacy, never mind others? Do you like to see yourself as not as a free agent but a ragdoll that the state is free to play with? Or do you wish to feel that making an effort in society is plain worthless, which allows you a clear conscience in not doing anything? Just curious.

johnr2 7y ago
> Do people like you.... Your post comes across as an ad-hominem attack. I read the post you're replying to as a warning, nothing more.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  Thank you for the perspective. I suppose it was ad hom. I can't take his post in any way constructively (if it was a warning what am I supposed to do about it? Does he think I'm so stupid I can't see the risk already?) and while I don't doubt it was an honest comment, despite my suggestion of trolling which I regret making, I seriously doubt the poster considered the damaging effect it has on general discourse - or doing something about it himself. It was was ad hom because I see his reply as outright destructive. If the poster replied, I'd be happy to talk and to delete my post and perhaps we both could gain. And I'd feel a lot happier! I'd feel like something changed. But instead, downvotes instead of answers. I've had enough of HN. So many smart people, but then the rest... Please feel free to flag that post of mine. DanG, please ban me.
  - bookofjoe 7y ago
    Your comment brings to mind my experience on reddit: no matter how innocuous something I wrote seemed to me, someone attacked me for it. I finally bailed.
    - tempguy9999 7y ago
      I'm sorry to hear it :( That may be what's happened here, an innocuous comment mis-taken by myself. But before I go finally, tell me please in your view what was a reasonable interpretation of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21823201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21823201 I pretty well described how it came across to me, effectively that we're all in a surveillance society and if we aren't we soon will be like it or not. I can salvage nothing worthwhile from that poisonous nihilism.
      - bookofjoe 7y ago
        It does seem a bit harsh, what with a number of signalling words etc.
dredmorbius 7y ago
I read that as realism, not fatalism. And not indicating any level of agreement or support of the prospect. Your ad hom is utterly uncalled for.

brokenmachine 7y ago

Remember, pedophiles get the train too. Won't you think of the children?