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It’s more complicated than it appears. Europe, for instance, may indeed get colder as a result of the warm ocean flows from the west being cut off by melting ic

It’s more complicated than it appears. Europe, for instance, may indeed get colder as a result of the warm ocean flows from the west being cut off by melting ice from the Arctic. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2001/jun/21/globalwarming.physicalsciences https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2001/jun/21/globalwa... Hot and dry in Canberra today, and the smoke from the fires is insane.

saiya-jin 7y ago
It might end up true on average, but my home country in central/eastern Europe (Slovakia) is definitely getting warmer. Long harsh winters of the childhood are gone (having snow 3 months in a row feels surreal these days), ticks and other creepers which were not present in the area I grew up are not very common (altitude cca 750m). I think what most people have trouble realizing is that global warming indeed is a chaotic shift in many weather patterns and only overall average is rising. Ie it might just rain more during summer due to changed water circulation, which will take average yearly temperature down. Most people equate global warming with less snow during winter and heat waves in the summer and imagine it as a equal rise of say +2 all over the place, spread over whole year.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
I forget the correct name for the event, but there's good precedent. At the end of the last ice age, during the large scale melting, there was a great North American lake formed of melt water, held back by glaciers. When that finally melted into the Atlantic, enough freshwater was dumped to turn off the thermo haline circulation (inc Gulf Stream). Europe tipped into another mini ice age, as the whole globe warmed.
- CalRobert 7y ago
  "The Younger Dryas was the most recent and longest of several interruptions to the gradual warming of the Earth's climate since the severe LGM, about 27,000 to 24,000 years BP. The change was relatively sudden, taking place in decades, and it resulted in a decline of 2 to 6°C (3.6 to 10.8°F) and advances of glaciers and drier conditions, over much of the temperate Northern Hemisphere. It is thought to have been caused by a decline in the strength of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation, which transports warm water from the Equator towards the North Pole, in turn thought to have been caused by an influx of fresh, cold water from North America to the Atlantic. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturnin...
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    Thank you!

saiya-jin 7y ago

It might end up true on average, but my home country in central/eastern Europe (Slovakia) is definitely getting warmer. Long harsh winters of the childhood are gone (having snow 3 months in a row feels surreal these days), ticks and other creepers which were not present in the area I grew up are not very common (altitude cca 750m). I think what most people have trouble realizing is that global warming indeed is a chaotic shift in many weather patterns and only overall average is rising. Ie it might just rain more during summer due to changed water circulation, which will take average yearly temperature down. Most people equate global warming with less snow during winter and heat waves in the summer and imagine it as a equal rise of say +2 all over the place, spread over whole year.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago

I forget the correct name for the event, but there's good precedent. At the end of the last ice age, during the large scale melting, there was a great North American lake formed of melt water, held back by glaciers. When that finally melted into the Atlantic, enough freshwater was dumped to turn off the thermo haline circulation (inc Gulf Stream). Europe tipped into another mini ice age, as the whole globe warmed.

CalRobert 7y ago
"The Younger Dryas was the most recent and longest of several interruptions to the gradual warming of the Earth's climate since the severe LGM, about 27,000 to 24,000 years BP. The change was relatively sudden, taking place in decades, and it resulted in a decline of 2 to 6°C (3.6 to 10.8°F) and advances of glaciers and drier conditions, over much of the temperate Northern Hemisphere. It is thought to have been caused by a decline in the strength of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation, which transports warm water from the Equator towards the North Pole, in turn thought to have been caused by an influx of fresh, cold water from North America to the Atlantic. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturnin...
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  Thank you!