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> Interesting...I worked on a case once where a pregnant woman with HIV/AIDs refused medication which would ensure the baby was born without HIV. The Court orde

> Interesting...I worked on a case once where a pregnant woman with HIV/AIDs refused medication which would ensure the baby was born without HIV. The Court ordered the treatments against the woman's wishes/will...is that really tyranny? Yes, if only because it sets a horrible precedent; the State is not the paragon for determining Life and Death, despite what many think, it was never intended to be anything more than a system to ensure and maintain the Rights of the People--and it does such a horrid job of it I personally thought we'd have evolved past it already by now. Refusing treatment or medication and in turn having it forced upon you leads to this being fringe situation (2009) and having a court rule in favour of the State: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30763438/ns/health-childrens_health/t/judge-rules-family-cant-refuse-chemo-boy/ http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30763438/ns/health-childrens_healt... To this being the norm (2019): https://federalnewsnetwork.com/health-news/2019/10/police-nebraska-mom-ended-sons-cancer-treatment-and-fled/ https://federalnewsnetwork.com/health-news/2019/10/police-ne... Some people and cultures view Life and Death differently than most of the World, and they may not see it as the worst thing that can happen to a person, and we as a Society must respect that choice even when we feel it conflicts with our morals and ethics; that's what a tolerant Civilization adheres to above all else. Otherwise, yes, what you have is tyranny by the few on the many who will impose its will via its court systems and its jackbooted thugs (LEO). In the former's case, the boy survived the treatment, but I cannot imagine the psychological trauma was worth it, his mother had her Life ruined in this process, they were also financially ruined; they fled the country and were hunted down for exercising what they felt was in their best interest for their family.

hhas01 7y ago
Ah, the familiar pseudo-libertarian argument: the Rights of the Individual Trump All…also, my child is not an Individual but parental chattel to do to as I will. Mate, that’s not Libertarian, that’s “Egomaniacal Authoritarian From Hell” with a footnote that the ONLY authority they recognize is their own. Does not look out of place on r/RaisedByNarcissists. So do you really want to go down that road? Because it always ends on parents who think it perfectly fine to have sex with their own kids. Always.
- Melting_Harps 7y ago
  > Ah, the familiar pseudo-libertarian argument... First, I'm an anarchist and reject the very notion or the construct of the State; I'm not a Libertarian, who I will agree are nothing more than closet-Statists masking their intent in order to gain the ability to to use State power for their own ends. Its disgusting. I'm not going to engage with the ego/narcissist aspect, as you made that clear in your meandering diatribe above; but what I can and will say is I personally accept the things my parents did that I felt negatively afflicted me as a child now as an adult because of this--I was forced to go to private Catholic school, I was physically punished for my mistakes, subjected to teachings I found abhorrent and was humiliated when I refused to accept them in front of my peers. I was punished in such a way that I now value my time and mental as well as physical health as a priority and staunchly oppose that which robs me of any of them. I now understand that it is because this was who/how they wanted me, their child they brought into the World, and to accept and adhere to a certain value system that would shape my morals, ethics and general World view in the way they saw best. But in that difficult process, you as a child learn more of yourself and who you are and as in my case: reject and evolve past that phase to be in a position to question and then later surpass your parents ability and understanding of the World--in that way I see it as a success, albeit a very troublesome and painful process, but its so prevalent in Nature I cannot deny its utility. You can call that narcissistic or ego-manical all you want, but that is how Natural, Biological systems improve in the Wild: I've just outlined how immunology functions and applied it to parenthood. (I can go on to say how we stand in a unique time in History where we can target this with gene-editing and Cell Therapy, but I already know how that ends, too.) At no point in time does that alone or directly lead to pedophilia, and to be honest; I'm struck by your statement(s) and I fear you may have been a victim of that and you're projecting anything that resembles an attack on you as a person or your ideas as perceivable threat. If so, I'm sorry. Just so its clear: I find the sexual molestation of children one of the most vile things a person can do to a Human being, unlike death the victim has to continue live with a sense of shame and guilt that always afflicts their psyche and development toward the World; I've met a female lawyer who was molested several times as a child and it turned out positively in the end, but... it came at too high a cost. On the surface she is a lovely person who defends the under-represented minorities in her community pro-bono all while holding a career as a civil defense and immigration lawyer. But underneath all of that is a psychological mess.

hhas01 7y ago

Ah, the familiar pseudo-libertarian argument: the Rights of the Individual Trump All…also, my child is not an Individual but parental chattel to do to as I will. Mate, that’s not Libertarian, that’s “Egomaniacal Authoritarian From Hell” with a footnote that the ONLY authority they recognize is their own. Does not look out of place on r/RaisedByNarcissists. So do you really want to go down that road? Because it always ends on parents who think it perfectly fine to have sex with their own kids. Always.

Melting_Harps 7y ago
> Ah, the familiar pseudo-libertarian argument... First, I'm an anarchist and reject the very notion or the construct of the State; I'm not a Libertarian, who I will agree are nothing more than closet-Statists masking their intent in order to gain the ability to to use State power for their own ends. Its disgusting. I'm not going to engage with the ego/narcissist aspect, as you made that clear in your meandering diatribe above; but what I can and will say is I personally accept the things my parents did that I felt negatively afflicted me as a child now as an adult because of this--I was forced to go to private Catholic school, I was physically punished for my mistakes, subjected to teachings I found abhorrent and was humiliated when I refused to accept them in front of my peers. I was punished in such a way that I now value my time and mental as well as physical health as a priority and staunchly oppose that which robs me of any of them. I now understand that it is because this was who/how they wanted me, their child they brought into the World, and to accept and adhere to a certain value system that would shape my morals, ethics and general World view in the way they saw best. But in that difficult process, you as a child learn more of yourself and who you are and as in my case: reject and evolve past that phase to be in a position to question and then later surpass your parents ability and understanding of the World--in that way I see it as a success, albeit a very troublesome and painful process, but its so prevalent in Nature I cannot deny its utility. You can call that narcissistic or ego-manical all you want, but that is how Natural, Biological systems improve in the Wild: I've just outlined how immunology functions and applied it to parenthood. (I can go on to say how we stand in a unique time in History where we can target this with gene-editing and Cell Therapy, but I already know how that ends, too.) At no point in time does that alone or directly lead to pedophilia, and to be honest; I'm struck by your statement(s) and I fear you may have been a victim of that and you're projecting anything that resembles an attack on you as a person or your ideas as perceivable threat. If so, I'm sorry. Just so its clear: I find the sexual molestation of children one of the most vile things a person can do to a Human being, unlike death the victim has to continue live with a sense of shame and guilt that always afflicts their psyche and development toward the World; I've met a female lawyer who was molested several times as a child and it turned out positively in the end, but... it came at too high a cost. On the surface she is a lovely person who defends the under-represented minorities in her community pro-bono all while holding a career as a civil defense and immigration lawyer. But underneath all of that is a psychological mess.