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The increasingly common pattern of corporations issuing ultimatums without apparent explanation, justification, or any other kind of due process is really terri

The increasingly common pattern of corporations issuing ultimatums without apparent explanation, justification, or any other kind of due process is really terrifying. How do we fix this?

app4soft 7y ago
The only way to fix this is to use only open-source software & hardware solutions + decentralized networks. But it's too hard for common users.
bagacrap 7y ago
"Due process"?? Buying Legos from the official store is not some kind of inherent human right. They can sell to whom they want. No doubt this person was breaking the terms of service. Explaining why he's banned would likely give away something about how they know he was cheating the system, which makes future fraud easier.
- app4soft 7y ago
  Seems like it's new reality of online services, for example Instagram just rolled out "offensive captions checker"[0], that's look like beta-release of Orwell's «Thought Police».[1] [0] https://twitter.com/instagram/status/1206637381224259584 https://twitter.com/instagram/status/1206637381224259584 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police
  - neotek 7y ago
    Ah yes, the well known Orwellian police state tactic of politely asking users not to call each other stupid.
- ohyeshedid 7y ago
  "No doubt this person was breaking the terms of service." Was there more information outside of the linked twitter thread?
- robbrown451 7y ago
  Nor is it an inherent right to operate a business to sell Legos in any given country. Instead, they operate in countries that allow them to do business there. The people in many of those countries, whether due to "inherent human right" or because they fought for it, have the right to vote and elect representatives to make laws. So if those people decide that companies can't just ban people from doing business with them without "due process", they can put that into law. I don't personally buy into the idea that anything is an "inherent human right," it's all social contract from my perspective. Businesses are subject to it as well.
zarriak 7y ago
At this point until there are regulations on how you can be banned and how you can litigate bans from websites etc. Maybe they have a policy limiting people from purchasing too much lego either to prevent reselling or from stopping people from becoming whales like in mobile games. To be honest the community should have already abandoned bricklink when it was sold to the nexon founder. It is their own fault for continuing to support the website. People always make the mistake, the first time a small company sells it is usually good afterwards but the second time it sells it is rarely good afterwards. Also this would not be as much of an issue if antitrust were enforced. It is absurd that Lego can own the secondary market of its own product.

The increasingly common pattern of corporations issuing ultimatums without apparent explanation, justification, or any other kind of due process is really terrifying. How do we fix this?

app4soft 7y ago

The only way to fix this is to use only open-source software & hardware solutions + decentralized networks. But it's too hard for common users.

bagacrap 7y ago

"Due process"?? Buying Legos from the official store is not some kind of inherent human right. They can sell to whom they want. No doubt this person was breaking the terms of service. Explaining why he's banned would likely give away something about how they know he was cheating the system, which makes future fraud easier.

app4soft 7y ago
Seems like it's new reality of online services, for example Instagram just rolled out "offensive captions checker"[0], that's look like beta-release of Orwell's «Thought Police».[1] [0] https://twitter.com/instagram/status/1206637381224259584 https://twitter.com/instagram/status/1206637381224259584 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police
- neotek 7y ago
  Ah yes, the well known Orwellian police state tactic of politely asking users not to call each other stupid.
ohyeshedid 7y ago
"No doubt this person was breaking the terms of service." Was there more information outside of the linked twitter thread?
robbrown451 7y ago
Nor is it an inherent right to operate a business to sell Legos in any given country. Instead, they operate in countries that allow them to do business there. The people in many of those countries, whether due to "inherent human right" or because they fought for it, have the right to vote and elect representatives to make laws. So if those people decide that companies can't just ban people from doing business with them without "due process", they can put that into law. I don't personally buy into the idea that anything is an "inherent human right," it's all social contract from my perspective. Businesses are subject to it as well.

zarriak 7y ago

At this point until there are regulations on how you can be banned and how you can litigate bans from websites etc. Maybe they have a policy limiting people from purchasing too much lego either to prevent reselling or from stopping people from becoming whales like in mobile games. To be honest the community should have already abandoned bricklink when it was sold to the nexon founder. It is their own fault for continuing to support the website. People always make the mistake, the first time a small company sells it is usually good afterwards but the second time it sells it is rarely good afterwards. Also this would not be as much of an issue if antitrust were enforced. It is absurd that Lego can own the secondary market of its own product.