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Removing OnStar antenna and power was one of the first things I did on my new GM truck. It doesn't require any special tools or knowledge and only takes several

by icefog 7y ago

Removing OnStar antenna and power was one of the first things I did on my new GM truck. It doesn't require any special tools or knowledge and only takes several minutes. The fact I had to do any of this at all instead of being asked to opt-in to data collection is depressing, but not unexpected in today's data-hungry market.

georgeplusplus 7y ago
I’m shocked they didn’t rig it so doing what you did turns the check engine light on or something ridiculous.
- latentpot 7y ago
  Don't give them ideas, please.
  - dwnvoted2hell 7y ago
    Ideas are a dime a dozen. Implementations are what cost money. I can envision a million different distopias. The funding and will to make them happen is what prevents them from being reality.
- boring_twenties 7y ago
  I was thinking just halt after 30 minutes, like Intel does if you were to fully remove the Management Engine.
  - consp 7y ago
    That would fail them in any type approval test anywhere in the world.
    - hvidgaard 7y ago
      Only if they know about it.
- bonestamp2 7y ago
  It might set a "stored" trouble code already, which won't trigger the engine light (only "active' trouble codes do in most vehicles). Some stored trouble codes are there for the technicians to see which passive systems/sensors are failing or have failed in the past.
Accujack 7y ago
>not unexpected in today's data-hungry market. It's worth noting that this sort of data collection shouldn't be simply driven by the market and what it can get away with. There's a big gap in US law where collecting data like this for certain uses shouldn't be legal, and there should be laws governing whether or not e.g. an insurance company can access and store data from your car in the event of an accident. US laws have never been updated for privacy in the computer age simply because the people who have kept themselves in power for that long do not choose to do so. US Citizens assume that there's a legal safety blanket associated with corporations and what they're allowed to do because for non computer related privacy issues, the laws generally agree with common sense. Corporations can't open other people's mail just because it's laying in the car when they tow it from an accident, that's illegal. People assume the same is the case with the data they enter into their car computers, and it's completely untrue.

by icefog 7y ago

georgeplusplus 7y ago

I’m shocked they didn’t rig it so doing what you did turns the check engine light on or something ridiculous.

latentpot 7y ago
Don't give them ideas, please.
- dwnvoted2hell 7y ago
  Ideas are a dime a dozen. Implementations are what cost money. I can envision a million different distopias. The funding and will to make them happen is what prevents them from being reality.
boring_twenties 7y ago
I was thinking just halt after 30 minutes, like Intel does if you were to fully remove the Management Engine.
- consp 7y ago
  That would fail them in any type approval test anywhere in the world.
  - hvidgaard 7y ago
    Only if they know about it.
bonestamp2 7y ago
It might set a "stored" trouble code already, which won't trigger the engine light (only "active' trouble codes do in most vehicles). Some stored trouble codes are there for the technicians to see which passive systems/sensors are failing or have failed in the past.

Accujack 7y ago

>not unexpected in today's data-hungry market. It's worth noting that this sort of data collection shouldn't be simply driven by the market and what it can get away with. There's a big gap in US law where collecting data like this for certain uses shouldn't be legal, and there should be laws governing whether or not e.g. an insurance company can access and store data from your car in the event of an accident. US laws have never been updated for privacy in the computer age simply because the people who have kept themselves in power for that long do not choose to do so. US Citizens assume that there's a legal safety blanket associated with corporations and what they're allowed to do because for non computer related privacy issues, the laws generally agree with common sense. Corporations can't open other people's mail just because it's laying in the car when they tow it from an accident, that's illegal. People assume the same is the case with the data they enter into their car computers, and it's completely untrue.