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Its kinda weird that the main reason that US grad schools are so good is that its full of international students who have to be there to get green cards. Its a

by rb808 7y ago

Its kinda weird that the main reason that US grad schools are so good is that its full of international students who have to be there to get green cards. Its a symbiotic relationship. Take away the opportunity or desire to immigrate and no one needs a MS/PhD any more.

enitihas 7y ago
Does a MS from US help in getting green card?
- filoleg 7y ago
  Yes, because H1B applications for those with advanced degrees (which includes MS) are in a higher priority pool than those with just BS, so their application gets processed much faster. US essentially has an H1B visa quota of 85k per year, with 65k being the regular pool and 20k being the advanced degree pool. It is always advantageous to file for the advanced pool if you can, because if the quota for the advanced degrees got filled for the year, the spillover people (i.e., the ones with advanced degrees who didn't get their visa approved yet) get put in the regular pool for that specific year.
  - woodson 7y ago
    Wrong: There is no advanced degree pool. There is a "has a degree from some U.S. tertiary institution" pool. Doesn't matter how many Ph.D.s awarded by top universities in the rest of the world one has.
    - mikeyouse 7y ago
      Random website, but just an example since many refer to the "Advanced Degree Annual Cap" as a separate pool from the normal H1B: https://redbus2us.com/all-about-h1b-visa-cap-basics-regular-vs-masters-quotas-calculations-lottery/ https://redbus2us.com/all-about-h1b-visa-cap-basics-regular-...
      - woodson 7y ago
        From your linked site: “A person who has obtained a U.S. Master’s degree or higher qualifies for this cap quota.” A foreign advanced degree doesn’t qualify.
        mikeyouse 7y ago
        Oops, mea culpa, read OP as disputing whether there was any preference for advanced degree, not whether only US ones counted.
StandardFuture 7y ago
But the logical conclusion of that premise (if we want to be formal) is that what ACTUALLY makes US grad schools great is equivalent to what incentive these students have to become US citizens. I would propose highest salaries in the world as that incentive. There is nothing fundamentally superior about American culture or politics to many other countries, so that seems like the most reasonable conclusion to me. Thus, do you really need to worry about retaining talent after you have assessed the true underlying incentive? The simple answer is no. Americans getting paid more than anyone else, game-theoretically, guarantees the smartest people will not only try but absolutely find a way to live and thrive in America. Speaking of incentives, if we know that is the main driver of smart immigration then one can wonder what is the "true" incentive behind published "research" like this. For example, conclusions like this: >U.S. policymakers can ... control whether the United States remains an attractive and welcoming destination for international talent. are simply not true (at least in attracting the truly best and most desirable candidates).

by rb808 7y ago

enitihas 7y ago

Does a MS from US help in getting green card?

filoleg 7y ago
Yes, because H1B applications for those with advanced degrees (which includes MS) are in a higher priority pool than those with just BS, so their application gets processed much faster. US essentially has an H1B visa quota of 85k per year, with 65k being the regular pool and 20k being the advanced degree pool. It is always advantageous to file for the advanced pool if you can, because if the quota for the advanced degrees got filled for the year, the spillover people (i.e., the ones with advanced degrees who didn't get their visa approved yet) get put in the regular pool for that specific year.
- woodson 7y ago
  Wrong: There is no advanced degree pool. There is a "has a degree from some U.S. tertiary institution" pool. Doesn't matter how many Ph.D.s awarded by top universities in the rest of the world one has.
  - mikeyouse 7y ago
    Random website, but just an example since many refer to the "Advanced Degree Annual Cap" as a separate pool from the normal H1B: https://redbus2us.com/all-about-h1b-visa-cap-basics-regular-vs-masters-quotas-calculations-lottery/ https://redbus2us.com/all-about-h1b-visa-cap-basics-regular-...
    - woodson 7y ago
      From your linked site: “A person who has obtained a U.S. Master’s degree or higher qualifies for this cap quota.” A foreign advanced degree doesn’t qualify.
      - mikeyouse 7y ago
        Oops, mea culpa, read OP as disputing whether there was any preference for advanced degree, not whether only US ones counted.

StandardFuture 7y ago

But the logical conclusion of that premise (if we want to be formal) is that what ACTUALLY makes US grad schools great is equivalent to what incentive these students have to become US citizens. I would propose highest salaries in the world as that incentive. There is nothing fundamentally superior about American culture or politics to many other countries, so that seems like the most reasonable conclusion to me. Thus, do you really need to worry about retaining talent after you have assessed the true underlying incentive? The simple answer is no. Americans getting paid more than anyone else, game-theoretically, guarantees the smartest people will not only try but absolutely find a way to live and thrive in America. Speaking of incentives, if we know that is the main driver of smart immigration then one can wonder what is the "true" incentive behind published "research" like this. For example, conclusions like this: >U.S. policymakers can ... control whether the United States remains an attractive and welcoming destination for international talent. are simply not true (at least in attracting the truly best and most desirable candidates).