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Your reply is so laced with hypocrisy its disgusting. How do you know their lives are so bad? From what the video showed they seem to be doing just fine. I w

by d3x 16y ago

Your reply is so laced with hypocrisy its disgusting. How do you know their lives are so bad? From what the video showed they seem to be doing just fine. I would rather be A West coast armchair philosopher than an elitest who feels he is so superior to other people that I have the right to be condescending when discussing their way of life and I have the obligation to convert them to my way of thinking. FYI: one of the main justifications for slavery - Slavery was good for the slaves; the slaveowners took on the burden of caring for the interests of inferior beings, seeing that they would be fed, clothed and given religious instruction.

lwhi 16y ago
This is the post I'd give a 100 upvotes to.
Charuru 16y ago
Hypothetically what would you do if these tribes had a system of slavery?
- bugsy 16y ago
  What are you doing about the non-hypothetical slavery in the US right now?
  - Charuru 16y ago
    You're talking about human trafficking/sex slaves? It's already illegal. I leave that up to the cops.
    - Helianthus16 16y ago
      I hope he was talking about something a little more subtle, like the fact that we have so many Hispanic people here without citizenship and have therefore created a sort of lower subservient class. But probably not, slavery's a bit too strong a term unless there's a somewhat-mitigating "wage" in front of it.
      - bugsy 16y ago
        Actually I was thinking about both situations. Others as well but the sex slave trafficking and migrant slavery are two of them. http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/mar/03/farmworker-slavery-exhibit-shocks-many-during-stop/ http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/mar/03/farmworker-slaver... and http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/modern-day-slavery-museum-reveals-cruelty-in-florida-fields/1081253 http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/modern-day-slavery-m... are some articles about recent situations in Florida. There's also domestic servant slavery and even factory worker slavery, such as the slaves that are imported to US Territory Saipan to work in Chinese owned garment factories. (http://articles.sfgate.com/1999-01-22/news/17677080_1_garment-worker-clothing-labels-northern-mariana-islands http://articles.sfgate.com/1999-01-22/news/17677080_1_garmen...) Workers there are raped by managers, kept in guarded chained enclosures, and have to undergo forced abortions when they get pregnant from the rapes. There's also legal slavery, such as prison labor, which is explicitly permitted under the Constitution, although many legal experts believe that it actually has to be part of the sentence as punishment for the crime, and not just something that applies to all prisoners without a judge's approval during sentencing. To simplify things we'll skip those as being "OK" slavery since some believe there is legal justification for it even when not part of sentencing. Don't want to confuse the issue. By slavery we mean you are not free to leave and you are not paid wages for your work. Many workers in the US are even shackled up and beaten. Gosh look I even just now found a new book on Modern American Slavery. http://www.amazon.com/Nobodies-Modern-American-Global-Economy/dp/1400062098 http://www.amazon.com/Nobodies-Modern-American-Global-Econom... Of course there was also slavery of black people in the US that lasted until the 1940s. Oh, didn't know about that? http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/ http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/ Most people prefer not to know why the goods and food they buy are so cheap.
        Helianthus16 16y ago
        It is possible to link all of these happenings by the single term "slavery" but that does not make it prudent for the course of communication. In your original post you elucidated images of chattel slavery, the actual written right to own another person within the law, which does not exist in the United States. In practice there are other forms of slavery, of course, as you demonstrate, some more subtle and some less. But don't fall into the trap of over-applying the label, particularly one as loaded (in the US) as slavery. Also, your smugness is... well, smug. Yes. Yes I did know about that. Stick to the information and cut out the assumption that you're delivering a revelation, because you're not. However, I appreciate your bitterness and rage towards the unfairness of the world.

by d3x 16y ago

lwhi 16y ago

This is the post I'd give a 100 upvotes to.

Charuru 16y ago

Hypothetically what would you do if these tribes had a system of slavery?

bugsy 16y ago
What are you doing about the non-hypothetical slavery in the US right now?
- Charuru 16y ago
  You're talking about human trafficking/sex slaves? It's already illegal. I leave that up to the cops.
  - Helianthus16 16y ago
    I hope he was talking about something a little more subtle, like the fact that we have so many Hispanic people here without citizenship and have therefore created a sort of lower subservient class. But probably not, slavery's a bit too strong a term unless there's a somewhat-mitigating "wage" in front of it.
    - bugsy 16y ago
      Actually I was thinking about both situations. Others as well but the sex slave trafficking and migrant slavery are two of them. http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/mar/03/farmworker-slavery-exhibit-shocks-many-during-stop/ http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/mar/03/farmworker-slaver... and http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/modern-day-slavery-museum-reveals-cruelty-in-florida-fields/1081253 http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/modern-day-slavery-m... are some articles about recent situations in Florida. There's also domestic servant slavery and even factory worker slavery, such as the slaves that are imported to US Territory Saipan to work in Chinese owned garment factories. (http://articles.sfgate.com/1999-01-22/news/17677080_1_garment-worker-clothing-labels-northern-mariana-islands http://articles.sfgate.com/1999-01-22/news/17677080_1_garmen...) Workers there are raped by managers, kept in guarded chained enclosures, and have to undergo forced abortions when they get pregnant from the rapes. There's also legal slavery, such as prison labor, which is explicitly permitted under the Constitution, although many legal experts believe that it actually has to be part of the sentence as punishment for the crime, and not just something that applies to all prisoners without a judge's approval during sentencing. To simplify things we'll skip those as being "OK" slavery since some believe there is legal justification for it even when not part of sentencing. Don't want to confuse the issue. By slavery we mean you are not free to leave and you are not paid wages for your work. Many workers in the US are even shackled up and beaten. Gosh look I even just now found a new book on Modern American Slavery. http://www.amazon.com/Nobodies-Modern-American-Global-Economy/dp/1400062098 http://www.amazon.com/Nobodies-Modern-American-Global-Econom... Of course there was also slavery of black people in the US that lasted until the 1940s. Oh, didn't know about that? http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/ http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/ Most people prefer not to know why the goods and food they buy are so cheap.
      - Helianthus16 16y ago
        It is possible to link all of these happenings by the single term "slavery" but that does not make it prudent for the course of communication. In your original post you elucidated images of chattel slavery, the actual written right to own another person within the law, which does not exist in the United States. In practice there are other forms of slavery, of course, as you demonstrate, some more subtle and some less. But don't fall into the trap of over-applying the label, particularly one as loaded (in the US) as slavery. Also, your smugness is... well, smug. Yes. Yes I did know about that. Stick to the information and cut out the assumption that you're delivering a revelation, because you're not. However, I appreciate your bitterness and rage towards the unfairness of the world.