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What about zulip? They seem to fare well in terms of features against slack and mattermost.

slykar 7y ago
I love Zulip but the concept of topics is repelant for (lazy?) users. When you chat on a channel (Slack, Mattermost) and people start fragmenting the discussion into several topics that interlace... Ugh! I yet have to meet people that would at last utilize Threads.
- chimeracoder 7y ago
  > When you chat on a channel (Slack, Mattermost) and people start fragmenting the discussion into several topics that interlace... Ugh! I yet have to meet people that would at last utilize Threads. Slack threads are an utter abomination. I'd rather they removed the feature entirely; they're harder to keep track of than the linear stream of a channel (which is saying something, because the chronological, linear stream is already pretty bad for ongoing discussions)
axegon_ 7y ago
I've tried both and imo mattermost has the edge when it comes to hooks and integrations. It's also insanely flexible with the configuration options it gives. The one thing I don't like about zulip topics... Not really my thing...
- maccam94 7y ago
  Zulip topics are the best implementation of chat threads that I've seen yet. You can view all of them simultaneously like a regular chat room, or focus down on one. You can mute either a single chat topic or an entire stream (channel). In most chat systems, if I don't read the messages within a day, I'll never bother reading the chat history because I have no idea whether there's anything relevant in it. In contrast, I can open the Rust Zulip once every few weeks and see if there were any interesting topics. And if you're really sure you don't want to use topics, you can always just make a single "general" topic in your stream.
Dowwie 7y ago
The Rust core dev teams are using Zulip extensively. It must be going well enough or they'd have moved onto something else. Instead, adoption has grown.
- StavrosK 7y ago
  I absolutely love Zulip. I use it for a company team and it's been amazing. The stream model where you can zoom in is extremely convenient for catching up with messages and we love how well everything works. I do miss GIFs, but eh.
neumann 7y ago
After trying all, I prefer zulip over all (including slack). It is very polished, functional and easy to write extensions for! It is slightly annoying that I feel like none of these will last a decade and wonder why we couldn't have stuck with XMPP or an extended standard and figure out federation, privacy and enterprise. Unfortunately, outside of tech, everyone is moving to Teams!
- etripe 7y ago
  > Unfortunately, outside of tech, everyone is moving to Teams! Alternate perspective: they never left Lync/Communicator - it's just been rebranded.
clarry 7y ago
We weren't too happy with Mattermost and moved to Zulip after a while at my place.. it's a bit nicer, but I'd still pick IRC if given the choice.

I love Zulip but the concept of topics is repelant for (lazy?) users. When you chat on a channel (Slack, Mattermost) and people start fragmenting the discussion into several topics that interlace... Ugh! I yet have to meet people that would at last utilize Threads.

chimeracoder 7y ago
> When you chat on a channel (Slack, Mattermost) and people start fragmenting the discussion into several topics that interlace... Ugh! I yet have to meet people that would at last utilize Threads. Slack threads are an utter abomination. I'd rather they removed the feature entirely; they're harder to keep track of than the linear stream of a channel (which is saying something, because the chronological, linear stream is already pretty bad for ongoing discussions)

axegon_ 7y ago

I've tried both and imo mattermost has the edge when it comes to hooks and integrations. It's also insanely flexible with the configuration options it gives. The one thing I don't like about zulip topics... Not really my thing...

maccam94 7y ago
Zulip topics are the best implementation of chat threads that I've seen yet. You can view all of them simultaneously like a regular chat room, or focus down on one. You can mute either a single chat topic or an entire stream (channel). In most chat systems, if I don't read the messages within a day, I'll never bother reading the chat history because I have no idea whether there's anything relevant in it. In contrast, I can open the Rust Zulip once every few weeks and see if there were any interesting topics. And if you're really sure you don't want to use topics, you can always just make a single "general" topic in your stream.

Dowwie 7y ago

The Rust core dev teams are using Zulip extensively. It must be going well enough or they'd have moved onto something else. Instead, adoption has grown.

StavrosK 7y ago
I absolutely love Zulip. I use it for a company team and it's been amazing. The stream model where you can zoom in is extremely convenient for catching up with messages and we love how well everything works. I do miss GIFs, but eh.

neumann 7y ago

After trying all, I prefer zulip over all (including slack). It is very polished, functional and easy to write extensions for! It is slightly annoying that I feel like none of these will last a decade and wonder why we couldn't have stuck with XMPP or an extended standard and figure out federation, privacy and enterprise. Unfortunately, outside of tech, everyone is moving to Teams!

etripe 7y ago
> Unfortunately, outside of tech, everyone is moving to Teams! Alternate perspective: they never left Lync/Communicator - it's just been rebranded.

clarry 7y ago

We weren't too happy with Mattermost and moved to Zulip after a while at my place.. it's a bit nicer, but I'd still pick IRC if given the choice.