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The insanity is that in the UK and in the US you have massive propaganda outlets misinforming the public financed by their own billionaires. I'm sure Russian pr

The insanity is that in the UK and in the US you have massive propaganda outlets misinforming the public financed by their own billionaires. I'm sure Russian propaganda is trying to get the outcomes they want, why wouldn't they? But the idea that they are more effective/more worrisome than Murdoch and co is ridiculous. That said, Corbyn won every age group < 40 [1]. So those most likely to be heavily invested in social media did seem to get the message... [1] https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/1...

rayiner 7y ago
> That said, Corbyn won every age group < 40 I.e. people who don't remember what Corbyn’s pre-Tony Blair Labour did the last time it had power.
- Certhas 7y ago
  Not a fan of Corbyn, but you can't deny that he was smeared heavily and unfairly. As was Milliband. Mostly by the papers who are owned by the people he wants to tax. And the policies proposed in Corbyns manifesto would have brought the UK more into the central European mainstream. Nothing in there was terribly radical.
  - rayiner 7y ago
    Corbyn is a communist sympathizer.
didibus 7y ago
Tangentially, I heard of a theory that some of the change in political landscape could be due to population life expectency increases and the ratio between young and old having diminished. This is backed up by some research suggesting that people naturally become more conservative as they age. Not saying that explains the UK elections, but your linked article reminded me of this theory.
- Certhas 7y ago
  I think there also is good evidence that we are looking more at age cohort effects rather than age effects. After all people who are 39 would not exactly have been considered young a few decades ago. It's a smooth curve but the labour/cons cross over point aligns well with the age of those who were able to build their lives and establish their careers before the early 2000s and after. The economic and societal structure that worked well during the 20th century has not been delivering returns for a while. In the UK this is the generation that will be poorer than the generation before them for the first time [1] until they inherit. I think the changing age structure is massive though. If you had this breakdown of voting behaviour with the age distribution of the 60s when the median age was 32 rather than 42, you are looking at a labour landslide. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/81343d9e-187b-11e8-9e9c-25c814761640 https://www.ft.com/content/81343d9e-187b-11e8-9e9c-25c814761...

rayiner 7y ago

> That said, Corbyn won every age group < 40 I.e. people who don't remember what Corbyn’s pre-Tony Blair Labour did the last time it had power.

Certhas 7y ago
Not a fan of Corbyn, but you can't deny that he was smeared heavily and unfairly. As was Milliband. Mostly by the papers who are owned by the people he wants to tax. And the policies proposed in Corbyns manifesto would have brought the UK more into the central European mainstream. Nothing in there was terribly radical.
- rayiner 7y ago
  Corbyn is a communist sympathizer.

didibus 7y ago

Tangentially, I heard of a theory that some of the change in political landscape could be due to population life expectency increases and the ratio between young and old having diminished. This is backed up by some research suggesting that people naturally become more conservative as they age. Not saying that explains the UK elections, but your linked article reminded me of this theory.

Certhas 7y ago
I think there also is good evidence that we are looking more at age cohort effects rather than age effects. After all people who are 39 would not exactly have been considered young a few decades ago. It's a smooth curve but the labour/cons cross over point aligns well with the age of those who were able to build their lives and establish their careers before the early 2000s and after. The economic and societal structure that worked well during the 20th century has not been delivering returns for a while. In the UK this is the generation that will be poorer than the generation before them for the first time [1] until they inherit. I think the changing age structure is massive though. If you had this breakdown of voting behaviour with the age distribution of the 60s when the median age was 32 rather than 42, you are looking at a labour landslide. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/81343d9e-187b-11e8-9e9c-25c814761640 https://www.ft.com/content/81343d9e-187b-11e8-9e9c-25c814761...