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Java 8 was released March 18, 2014, so they had 5 years to upgrade. But I see your point about the new release schedule, where the LTS version is not supported

by qw 7y ago

Java 8 was released March 18, 2014, so they had 5 years to upgrade. But I see your point about the new release schedule, where the LTS version is not supported after 6 months. I think the companies need to change their mindsets. New Java version are backwards compatible, as they introduce changes gradually. It is actually more dangerous to wait, because they risk that some features (like GC) are deprecated after 4-5 versions. By updating regularly and keeping an eye on deprecated features, they should have time to adjust

vbezhenar 7y ago
I still need to pass weird flags for Tomcat to make it work under Java 9+, almost 6 years later. Modules were a mistake. If not for modules, a lot of people would have migrated to 9+.
- ivolimmen 7y ago
  Modules where not a mistake but we will likely benefit from it in say at least 5 years. Every artifact/library you use has to be a (real) module to be able to use it's full potential.
  - jillesvangurp 7y ago
    I've yet to see a real world use that is meaningful. Mostly it just adds deployment bureaucracy for opting in to stuff that used to be there by default. I'm not seeing a huge adoption of modules outside of Java's core libraries. A good thing that came out of it was that it forced them to untangle the 2 decades old standard library. This was disruptive but it seems to have also unblocked a bit of progress and also allows the to have experimental modules in non lts releases (9,10,12,13).
- diroussel 7y ago
  Modules were certainly the biggest upgrade barrier ever in the history of java. But the have enabled a way for the JDK to get smaller without them we would face the JDK getting bigger with each release, which is not sustainable. So on reflection I think it was a good move. Most frameworks and libraries work on modules now.
Tilks 7y ago
The LTS versions are supported past 6 months. Java 11 has 2 years of public updates through AdoptOpenJDK. The next LTS (17) will no doubt have similar.

by qw 7y ago

vbezhenar 7y ago

I still need to pass weird flags for Tomcat to make it work under Java 9+, almost 6 years later. Modules were a mistake. If not for modules, a lot of people would have migrated to 9+.

ivolimmen 7y ago
Modules where not a mistake but we will likely benefit from it in say at least 5 years. Every artifact/library you use has to be a (real) module to be able to use it's full potential.
- jillesvangurp 7y ago
  I've yet to see a real world use that is meaningful. Mostly it just adds deployment bureaucracy for opting in to stuff that used to be there by default. I'm not seeing a huge adoption of modules outside of Java's core libraries. A good thing that came out of it was that it forced them to untangle the 2 decades old standard library. This was disruptive but it seems to have also unblocked a bit of progress and also allows the to have experimental modules in non lts releases (9,10,12,13).
diroussel 7y ago
Modules were certainly the biggest upgrade barrier ever in the history of java. But the have enabled a way for the JDK to get smaller without them we would face the JDK getting bigger with each release, which is not sustainable. So on reflection I think it was a good move. Most frameworks and libraries work on modules now.

Tilks 7y ago

The LTS versions are supported past 6 months. Java 11 has 2 years of public updates through AdoptOpenJDK. The next LTS (17) will no doubt have similar.