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Not that I doubt your claim, but do you have any references for public hospital finances in China? Specifically looking at profit generated from traditional Chi

Not that I doubt your claim, but do you have any references for public hospital finances in China? Specifically looking at profit generated from traditional Chinese medicine Rx?

yorwba 7y ago
There's no need for public hospitals in China to publish financials, so getting verified information on the profit generated from TCM is unlikely. However, if you're willing to trust Statista [1], TCM sales in China have been growing quickly. Considering that public hospitals in China usually offer both Western and TCM treatments, they're probably also capturing some of that growth. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/988866/china-traditional-chinese-medicine-tcm-sales-revenue/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/988866/china-traditional...
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  I was struck, watching 延禧攻略, that traditional chinese medicine is heavily featured on the show and is always 100% effective. That's... not how we in America would usually depict period medicine in 18th-century Europe. We don't approach that level of effectiveness now.
  - justicezyx 7y ago
    ...That's a f*king period soap opera... Same idea as Lincoln being a vampire hunter...
    - thaumasiotes 7y ago
      I know it's a period soap opera. Do you really think a period drama set in Napoleonic France would depict then-current medicine as unfailingly effective?
      - yorwba 7y ago
        Sure it would if it's necessary to provide some plot armor. Napoleon gets hit by shrapnel and spends an episode with some bandages decoratively draped over the wound while commandeering his army from the front lines, even though the severity of the wounds should confine him to his bed. The next episode he doesn't even need the bandages anymore. Realistic medicine in fiction usually doesn't fit the narrative, same as realistic anything, so you get symbolic medicine instead. I assume the show in question also features unrealistic martial arts combat that only serves to display the protagonist's superiority rather than showing you how to actually win a fight.
        thaumasiotes 7y ago
        > I assume the show in question also features unrealistic martial arts combat that only serves to display the protagonist's superiority rather than showing you how to actually win a fight. That would have really livened things up. It's an overwhelmingly feminine show about inter-concubine intrigue in the imperial harem. But you'd be right if it was a show that featured combat at all. On the medicine issue, though, I feel like we have different things in mind. > Napoleon gets hit by shrapnel and spends an episode with some bandages decoratively draped over the wound while commandeering his army from the front lines, even though the severity of the wounds should confine him to his bed. The next episode he doesn't even need the bandages anymore. To me this just reads as glossing over the issue. He got hurt, the show didn't really talk about how badly he was hurt, he was shown hurt and then he recovered. Maybe he recovered despite whatever medical care he received, rather than because of it. I agree that that could easily happen in an American show set in any time period. But I'd be surprised to see Napoleon get hurt, have a doctor called in, have it pronounced that the Emperor was mortally wounded, and then see his life miraculously saved by the doctor's genius in applying the theory of miasma or the four bodily humours, or by being bled really effectively. (Though in one of Katharine Kerr's fantasy-Celtic novels, there is a genius passage in which a wizard applies the theory of the four humours to prescribe a treatment which -- given modern medical knowledge -- obviously will successfully treat a woman's post-childbirth anemia.)

Not that I doubt your claim, but do you have any references for public hospital finances in China? Specifically looking at profit generated from traditional Chinese medicine Rx?

yorwba 7y ago

There's no need for public hospitals in China to publish financials, so getting verified information on the profit generated from TCM is unlikely. However, if you're willing to trust Statista [1], TCM sales in China have been growing quickly. Considering that public hospitals in China usually offer both Western and TCM treatments, they're probably also capturing some of that growth. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/988866/china-traditional-chinese-medicine-tcm-sales-revenue/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/988866/china-traditional...

thaumasiotes 7y ago
I was struck, watching 延禧攻略, that traditional chinese medicine is heavily featured on the show and is always 100% effective. That's... not how we in America would usually depict period medicine in 18th-century Europe. We don't approach that level of effectiveness now.
- justicezyx 7y ago
  ...That's a f*king period soap opera... Same idea as Lincoln being a vampire hunter...
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    I know it's a period soap opera. Do you really think a period drama set in Napoleonic France would depict then-current medicine as unfailingly effective?
    - yorwba 7y ago
      Sure it would if it's necessary to provide some plot armor. Napoleon gets hit by shrapnel and spends an episode with some bandages decoratively draped over the wound while commandeering his army from the front lines, even though the severity of the wounds should confine him to his bed. The next episode he doesn't even need the bandages anymore. Realistic medicine in fiction usually doesn't fit the narrative, same as realistic anything, so you get symbolic medicine instead. I assume the show in question also features unrealistic martial arts combat that only serves to display the protagonist's superiority rather than showing you how to actually win a fight.
      - thaumasiotes 7y ago
        > I assume the show in question also features unrealistic martial arts combat that only serves to display the protagonist's superiority rather than showing you how to actually win a fight. That would have really livened things up. It's an overwhelmingly feminine show about inter-concubine intrigue in the imperial harem. But you'd be right if it was a show that featured combat at all. On the medicine issue, though, I feel like we have different things in mind. > Napoleon gets hit by shrapnel and spends an episode with some bandages decoratively draped over the wound while commandeering his army from the front lines, even though the severity of the wounds should confine him to his bed. The next episode he doesn't even need the bandages anymore. To me this just reads as glossing over the issue. He got hurt, the show didn't really talk about how badly he was hurt, he was shown hurt and then he recovered. Maybe he recovered despite whatever medical care he received, rather than because of it. I agree that that could easily happen in an American show set in any time period. But I'd be surprised to see Napoleon get hurt, have a doctor called in, have it pronounced that the Emperor was mortally wounded, and then see his life miraculously saved by the doctor's genius in applying the theory of miasma or the four bodily humours, or by being bled really effectively. (Though in one of Katharine Kerr's fantasy-Celtic novels, there is a genius passage in which a wizard applies the theory of the four humours to prescribe a treatment which -- given modern medical knowledge -- obviously will successfully treat a woman's post-childbirth anemia.)