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> I'm really tired of this argument that people are irrationally afraid of black rifles and simply don't understand the machines they're purporting to regulate.

> I'm really tired of this argument that people are irrationally afraid of black rifles and simply don't understand the machines they're purporting to regulate. Given that more people are killed with hands and feet than are killed with rifles of any kind, "assault" or otherwise, yes, it's an irrational fear. Source: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-... For 2018, the numbers are: Rifles: 297 Hands and feet: 672.

tptacek 7y ago
Do you think people advocating gun control haven't considered these numbers? Heart disease kills more people than crime of all sorts. We still generally want police departments. Is there some book or FAQ these arguments all get sourced from? They always seem to be the same ones. At this point, I'm not even annoyed that people disagree with me about firearms, but just that their arguments are so boring.
- mlyle 7y ago
  It seems a bit dubious to ban something that has legitimate uses and isn't even on the "leaderboard" in the murder category. If you believe handguns should be banned, it is at least somewhat logically consistent of a position. But if you ban something that is a fringe edge-case in the statistics, we know a priori it will be minimally effective at best, and at worst those murders will be performed by other, more convenient means.
- Turing_Machine 7y ago
  > Do you think people advocating gun control haven't considered these numbers? I think the overwhelming majority of them are ignorant of them, yes. Do you have data that shows otherwise? If so, perhaps you should present it. > but just that their arguments are so boring. Calling a fact "boring" is not a refutation of it.
- c0nducktr 7y ago
  You can't feel the arguments from the gun-control crowd are any less boring than your arguments, right? It's been the same shit for ages. The whole debate is boring, crazy that we keep delving into it.
  - tptacek 7y ago
    Considering that even some firearm maximalists don't appear to understand the history of the weapon they're defending or that of the FAWB, I dispute how "boring" my argument is.
- surge 7y ago
  By the same argument police departments don't respond in the two minutes it takes for a violent incident to take place, even more so the further outside a city center you are. So even though fires don't happen often, you still keep a fire extinguisher, the same argument is used for home defense.
JamesBarney 7y ago
For those who are curious. All firearms: 10,265

tptacek 7y ago

Do you think people advocating gun control haven't considered these numbers? Heart disease kills more people than crime of all sorts. We still generally want police departments. Is there some book or FAQ these arguments all get sourced from? They always seem to be the same ones. At this point, I'm not even annoyed that people disagree with me about firearms, but just that their arguments are so boring.

mlyle 7y ago
It seems a bit dubious to ban something that has legitimate uses and isn't even on the "leaderboard" in the murder category. If you believe handguns should be banned, it is at least somewhat logically consistent of a position. But if you ban something that is a fringe edge-case in the statistics, we know a priori it will be minimally effective at best, and at worst those murders will be performed by other, more convenient means.
Turing_Machine 7y ago
> Do you think people advocating gun control haven't considered these numbers? I think the overwhelming majority of them are ignorant of them, yes. Do you have data that shows otherwise? If so, perhaps you should present it. > but just that their arguments are so boring. Calling a fact "boring" is not a refutation of it.
c0nducktr 7y ago
You can't feel the arguments from the gun-control crowd are any less boring than your arguments, right? It's been the same shit for ages. The whole debate is boring, crazy that we keep delving into it.
- tptacek 7y ago
  Considering that even some firearm maximalists don't appear to understand the history of the weapon they're defending or that of the FAWB, I dispute how "boring" my argument is.
surge 7y ago
By the same argument police departments don't respond in the two minutes it takes for a violent incident to take place, even more so the further outside a city center you are. So even though fires don't happen often, you still keep a fire extinguisher, the same argument is used for home defense.

JamesBarney 7y ago

For those who are curious. All firearms: 10,265