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That does sound very similar. I know that in my interpretation Camus is one of the possible outcomes of Nietzsche's thoughts, and that his thoughts afford for m

by 0kl 7y ago

That does sound very similar. I know that in my interpretation Camus is one of the possible outcomes of Nietzsche's thoughts, and that his thoughts afford for many... I think that is something that resonated with me - that _my_ philosophy does not need to be yours, but that we can still find some common ground to survive with one another. Do you have good recommendations for Zen Buddhism and systems theories? I have touched on both, but never got deep enough to know what are the main works I should be working off of.

beaconstudios 7y ago
> in my interpretation Camus is one of the possible outcomes of Nietzsche's thoughts, and that his thoughts afford for many Yeah that makes total sense. How do you respond to a meaningless universe? By imagining up our own meaning and putting value in that. > I think that is something that resonated with me - that _my_ philosophy does not need to be yours, but that we can still find some common ground to survive with one another. Yeah I totally agree, and I think we could benefit from more people who viewed our existence in that way. > Do you have good recommendations for Zen Buddhism and systems theories? Unfortunately I'm not generally that bookish - a lot of the knowledge I have on these subjects, I've picked up from thinking and practicing the ideas within, odd sources on the internet and in conversations rather than reading books. However, I can recommend Alan Watts' "The Way of Zen" and Donella Meadows' "Thinking in Systems", which I have read and both of which are fantastic. Unfortunately sometimes systems theorists get caught up in the fine grained details such as "stock and flow" and "causal loop" diagrams and specific types of loop structure, which happens in Donella Meadows' book - the wiki page for complex systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_system) is a good entry point for the high level concerns in systems theory. [edit] I'm also told that Godel Escher Bach is an interesting book for approaching systems concepts like self-reference and emergence in a more esoteric, example-driven way.
ismail 7y ago
Here is a list of systems thinking readings I posted before. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19835208 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19835208

by 0kl 7y ago

beaconstudios 7y ago

> in my interpretation Camus is one of the possible outcomes of Nietzsche's thoughts, and that his thoughts afford for many Yeah that makes total sense. How do you respond to a meaningless universe? By imagining up our own meaning and putting value in that. > I think that is something that resonated with me - that _my_ philosophy does not need to be yours, but that we can still find some common ground to survive with one another. Yeah I totally agree, and I think we could benefit from more people who viewed our existence in that way. > Do you have good recommendations for Zen Buddhism and systems theories? Unfortunately I'm not generally that bookish - a lot of the knowledge I have on these subjects, I've picked up from thinking and practicing the ideas within, odd sources on the internet and in conversations rather than reading books. However, I can recommend Alan Watts' "The Way of Zen" and Donella Meadows' "Thinking in Systems", which I have read and both of which are fantastic. Unfortunately sometimes systems theorists get caught up in the fine grained details such as "stock and flow" and "causal loop" diagrams and specific types of loop structure, which happens in Donella Meadows' book - the wiki page for complex systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_system) is a good entry point for the high level concerns in systems theory. [edit] I'm also told that Godel Escher Bach is an interesting book for approaching systems concepts like self-reference and emergence in a more esoteric, example-driven way.

ismail 7y ago

Here is a list of systems thinking readings I posted before. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19835208 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19835208