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The CDC has a history of anti gun bias. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/12/why-the-centers-for-disease-control-should-not-re

The CDC has a history of anti gun bias. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/12/why-the-centers-for-disease-control-should-not-receive-gun-research-funding/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/...

ip26 7y ago
They also have a history of anti malaria bias. Public health agency finds that guns kill people, recommends fewer guns, news at 11
- datashow 7y ago
  How is malaria comparable to guns? Is malaria in the Constitution? Does Americans have a malaria culture?
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    If it did, im sure there would be plenty opining about the wonderful benefits of malaria, how it stops government tyranny from invading the swamps of our forefathers, and how you can always rely on it to dissuade thieves and criminals.
  - ip26 7y ago
    The point is they both harm people; so it's no great surprise for a public health agency to have concerns about them.
    - jakeogh 7y ago
      Gun use is overwhelmingly defensive.
      - beefalo 7y ago
        citation needed
        jakeogh 7y ago
        (1995) Kleck & Gertz estimates of 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year: https://americangunfacts.com/pdf/Armed%20Resistance%20to%20Crime-%20The%20Prevalence%20and%20Nature%20of%20Self-Defe.pdf https://americangunfacts.com/pdf/Armed%20Resistance%20to%20C...
        minikites 7y ago
        https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people... >In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens. The Post notes that "a more reasonable estimate" of self-defense gun uses equals about 100,000 annually, according to the NCVS data.
        CompanionCuuube 7y ago
        Two numbers are similar. Obviously they must both be fictitious. Such a sound argument of the highest caliber. Or maybe it was just money laundering for an ad hominem.
        minikites 7y ago
        There's a better estimate right there in the second sentence.
        CompanionCuuube 7y ago
        There's an even better estimate in a response to your comment: (1997) 1.5M https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
- stevenicr 7y ago
  cars kill thousands of kids, recommend fewer cars swimming pools kill a thousand, recommend banning swimming pools drugs kill a thousand, make drugs illegal with huge jail terms. wait, that doesn't work. why are there thousands of kids handling guns fine without accidents in rural areas and thousands getting killed by a few hundred in urban areas. it's much more complex than just fewer guns, no private pool ownership, etc.
  - enraged_camel 7y ago
    Neither cars nor swimming pools are weapons designed to kill. Nor are most drugs.
    - ryeights 7y ago
      >The fact that guns are “designed to kill people,” while swimming pools aren’t, is beside the point. Such word games can be played both ways: A gun is designed to save your life when no other tool will do the job. Swimming pools are just for fun. (Sam Harris)
  - ip26 7y ago
    The CDC is way ahead of you https://www.cdc.gov/features/healthyswimming/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/features/healthyswimming/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.ht...
    - stevenicr 7y ago
      I think it's great they are helping to educate about safer ways to engage with swimming sports and driving. They could do the same with guns.. but I guess we instead rely on the NRA, NSSF, and a few others.. some hunter's education classes that some places offer and the very few schools that teach these things. I do not see the CDC recommending less pools, or less cars, unlike their 'conclusion that less guns would mean less kid problems' - so maybe they are way ahead of themselves. I am all for more education the better, and as it would not affect me personally - ban swimming pools, get a special license to have more than 10 gallons of water, and if someone breaks one of the top 4 bullet points from the CDC on safe swimming, then make them a felon and take away other rights. Won't bother me, and it will make the world a safer place for many kids. /not-serious, don't take it too seriously, just sayin' for thoughts sake
minikites 7y ago
I'm not sure I trust this author to report accurately: https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2014/02/24/lets-be-very-clear-mr-kerry-no-scientific-evidence-of-dangerous-human-climate-influence-exists/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2014/02/24/lets-be-ve... https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/12/03/yes-the-overheated-climate-crisis-debate-is-settled-so-chill-out-and-relax/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/12/03/yes-the-ov...

ip26 7y ago

They also have a history of anti malaria bias. Public health agency finds that guns kill people, recommends fewer guns, news at 11

datashow 7y ago
How is malaria comparable to guns? Is malaria in the Constitution? Does Americans have a malaria culture?
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  If it did, im sure there would be plenty opining about the wonderful benefits of malaria, how it stops government tyranny from invading the swamps of our forefathers, and how you can always rely on it to dissuade thieves and criminals.
- ip26 7y ago
  The point is they both harm people; so it's no great surprise for a public health agency to have concerns about them.
  - jakeogh 7y ago
    Gun use is overwhelmingly defensive.
    - beefalo 7y ago
      citation needed
      - jakeogh 7y ago
        (1995) Kleck & Gertz estimates of 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year: https://americangunfacts.com/pdf/Armed%20Resistance%20to%20Crime-%20The%20Prevalence%20and%20Nature%20of%20Self-Defe.pdf https://americangunfacts.com/pdf/Armed%20Resistance%20to%20C...
        minikites 7y ago
        https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people... >In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens. The Post notes that "a more reasonable estimate" of self-defense gun uses equals about 100,000 annually, according to the NCVS data.
        CompanionCuuube 7y ago
        Two numbers are similar. Obviously they must both be fictitious. Such a sound argument of the highest caliber. Or maybe it was just money laundering for an ad hominem.
        minikites 7y ago
        There's a better estimate right there in the second sentence.
        CompanionCuuube 7y ago
        There's an even better estimate in a response to your comment: (1997) 1.5M https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
stevenicr 7y ago
cars kill thousands of kids, recommend fewer cars swimming pools kill a thousand, recommend banning swimming pools drugs kill a thousand, make drugs illegal with huge jail terms. wait, that doesn't work. why are there thousands of kids handling guns fine without accidents in rural areas and thousands getting killed by a few hundred in urban areas. it's much more complex than just fewer guns, no private pool ownership, etc.
- enraged_camel 7y ago
  Neither cars nor swimming pools are weapons designed to kill. Nor are most drugs.
  - ryeights 7y ago
    >The fact that guns are “designed to kill people,” while swimming pools aren’t, is beside the point. Such word games can be played both ways: A gun is designed to save your life when no other tool will do the job. Swimming pools are just for fun. (Sam Harris)
- ip26 7y ago
  The CDC is way ahead of you https://www.cdc.gov/features/healthyswimming/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/features/healthyswimming/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/motor-vehicle-safety/index.ht...
  - stevenicr 7y ago
    I think it's great they are helping to educate about safer ways to engage with swimming sports and driving. They could do the same with guns.. but I guess we instead rely on the NRA, NSSF, and a few others.. some hunter's education classes that some places offer and the very few schools that teach these things. I do not see the CDC recommending less pools, or less cars, unlike their 'conclusion that less guns would mean less kid problems' - so maybe they are way ahead of themselves. I am all for more education the better, and as it would not affect me personally - ban swimming pools, get a special license to have more than 10 gallons of water, and if someone breaks one of the top 4 bullet points from the CDC on safe swimming, then make them a felon and take away other rights. Won't bother me, and it will make the world a safer place for many kids. /not-serious, don't take it too seriously, just sayin' for thoughts sake

minikites 7y ago

I'm not sure I trust this author to report accurately: https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2014/02/24/lets-be-very-clear-mr-kerry-no-scientific-evidence-of-dangerous-human-climate-influence-exists/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2014/02/24/lets-be-ve... https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/12/03/yes-the-overheated-climate-crisis-debate-is-settled-so-chill-out-and-relax/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/12/03/yes-the-ov...