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I can attest that the FBI has in fact been tracking these guys for more than a decade, and some of them were indicted previously. What I can't understand is why

I can attest that the FBI has in fact been tracking these guys for more than a decade, and some of them were indicted previously. What I can't understand is why it took so long for this latest, more broad action, and why there is such a huge time gap between the victims referenced in the indictments. There are victims listed from 2010 and 2011 and then some this year (2019), but hardly any in between. That said, the FBI is not in the pre-crime business (with few exceptions), so they're not really set up to warn businesses like I did for so many years.

lvs 7y ago
> the FBI is not in the pre-crime business This seems like a bit of a systemic defect, if you can watch a financial (etc.) crime in progress but not have the jurisdiction (or allocation) to intercede. p.s. Shouldn't some of this fall into USSS jurisdiction?
bryanrasmussen 7y ago
>the FBI is not in the pre-crime business (with few exceptions), I guess those pre-crime exceptions are the ones were the agent convinces the malcontents they're embedded with to try a little terrorism?
- Melting_Harps 7y ago
  > I guess those pre-crime exceptions are the ones were the agent convinces the malcontents they're embedded with to try a little terrorism? That's the exception, you have to justify your job and budget somehow. And nothing loosens purse-strings like the 'T-word' post 9/11. Although to be fair, the first attempt to bomb the WTC was a failed FBI Sting: https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-thwart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-pro...
nzealand 7y ago
Sounds like Trump wants some wins related to the Elder Abuse Prevention and Prosecution Act (EAPPA): [“Protecting our senior citizens from criminals who target them is one of the Trump Administration’s highest priorities”](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-landmark-money-mule-initiative https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-...) Sadly, the FBI is apparently not in the business of going after the king pin either. They are prosecuting the low level money mules, who are either unwilling or unable to comprehend the need to cease and desist after a letter from the FBI.

lvs 7y ago

> the FBI is not in the pre-crime business This seems like a bit of a systemic defect, if you can watch a financial (etc.) crime in progress but not have the jurisdiction (or allocation) to intercede. p.s. Shouldn't some of this fall into USSS jurisdiction?

bryanrasmussen 7y ago

>the FBI is not in the pre-crime business (with few exceptions), I guess those pre-crime exceptions are the ones were the agent convinces the malcontents they're embedded with to try a little terrorism?

Melting_Harps 7y ago
> I guess those pre-crime exceptions are the ones were the agent convinces the malcontents they're embedded with to try a little terrorism? That's the exception, you have to justify your job and budget somehow. And nothing loosens purse-strings like the 'T-word' post 9/11. Although to be fair, the first attempt to bomb the WTC was a failed FBI Sting: https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-thwart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-pro...

nzealand 7y ago

Sounds like Trump wants some wins related to the Elder Abuse Prevention and Prosecution Act (EAPPA): [“Protecting our senior citizens from criminals who target them is one of the Trump Administration’s highest priorities”](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-landmark-money-mule-initiative https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-...) Sadly, the FBI is apparently not in the business of going after the king pin either. They are prosecuting the low level money mules, who are either unwilling or unable to comprehend the need to cease and desist after a letter from the FBI.