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I think it would be great if people were required to answer a questionnaire with even a psych evaluation in person for wanting to end life. I don’t think any p

by sysbin 7y ago

I think it would be great if people were required to answer a questionnaire with even a psych evaluation in person for wanting to end life. I don’t think any person should ever be refused their request to die. I just think the information is valuable to obtain for going forward by designing society to be more favorable for people to want to live. Currently a lot of people with tremendous psychological pain are being forced to continue being in pain because people don’t want to let them end their life. People with depression should be able to have free will over their own life.

ekianjo 7y ago
> People with depression Depression can usually be treated and results in less will to kill oneself. There is a good case to make that when you suffer from depression you are not yourself anymore.
- harimau777 7y ago
  To play devil's advocate: Isn't it problematic to measure success in treatment by will to kill oneself rather than by whether the patient ends up happy? It sort of reminds me of the sweatshops in China where instead of improving working conditions they just installed anti-suicide nets to keep people from jumping.
- ThrowawayP 7y ago
  By some estimates, a third of people who have depression have it in a treatment-resistant form: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518696/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518696/ How much treatment would you require these patients to endure before granting them freedom?
  - S-E-P 7y ago
    You’re sense of “freedom” is kind of fucked. Don’t load questions like that, it’s painfully annoying. Anyway death is not freedom; what good is freedom when you aren’t around to enjoy it? Foolish notion
    - nsomaru 7y ago
      I salute anyone with the conviction to plan and take their own life. What other sovereignty does another human have save over their own life? Also your snark reveals some inherent metaphysical assumptions. They may or may not be wrong, but why assume we all hold them?
      - S-E-P 7y ago
        My snark more comes from years of trudging through some pretty horrible experiences as well as a slew of mental problems. I live with trauma that I deal with on a daily basis. Paranoia for days and a lot of pain. I dont salute those who take there own lives; I’ve thought about taking mine for a decade before giving up on the idea. If you mean something to someone; don’t take your life, it hurts them way more then it hurts you to go on living. You can’t help anyone if you are dead; it’s rather selfish. Suicide is for assholes or cowards; I award no points, your life is precious, make it worth living.
        ThrowawayP 7y ago
        Well, if you're going to be snarky about it, all I'll reply with is the famous Big Lebowski quote: "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, _your_ opinion, man."
asdf21 7y ago
>I don’t think any person should ever be refused their request to die. The idea that abortion is some sort of settled issue because of "privacy," yet we are disallowed from controlling our own bodies in many, many other ways (hormone levels via steroids, as an example) is particularly absurd to me.

by sysbin 7y ago

ekianjo 7y ago

> People with depression Depression can usually be treated and results in less will to kill oneself. There is a good case to make that when you suffer from depression you are not yourself anymore.

harimau777 7y ago
To play devil's advocate: Isn't it problematic to measure success in treatment by will to kill oneself rather than by whether the patient ends up happy? It sort of reminds me of the sweatshops in China where instead of improving working conditions they just installed anti-suicide nets to keep people from jumping.
ThrowawayP 7y ago
By some estimates, a third of people who have depression have it in a treatment-resistant form: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518696/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4518696/ How much treatment would you require these patients to endure before granting them freedom?
- S-E-P 7y ago
  You’re sense of “freedom” is kind of fucked. Don’t load questions like that, it’s painfully annoying. Anyway death is not freedom; what good is freedom when you aren’t around to enjoy it? Foolish notion
  - nsomaru 7y ago
    I salute anyone with the conviction to plan and take their own life. What other sovereignty does another human have save over their own life? Also your snark reveals some inherent metaphysical assumptions. They may or may not be wrong, but why assume we all hold them?
    - S-E-P 7y ago
      My snark more comes from years of trudging through some pretty horrible experiences as well as a slew of mental problems. I live with trauma that I deal with on a daily basis. Paranoia for days and a lot of pain. I dont salute those who take there own lives; I’ve thought about taking mine for a decade before giving up on the idea. If you mean something to someone; don’t take your life, it hurts them way more then it hurts you to go on living. You can’t help anyone if you are dead; it’s rather selfish. Suicide is for assholes or cowards; I award no points, your life is precious, make it worth living.
      - ThrowawayP 7y ago
        Well, if you're going to be snarky about it, all I'll reply with is the famous Big Lebowski quote: "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, _your_ opinion, man."

asdf21 7y ago

>I don’t think any person should ever be refused their request to die. The idea that abortion is some sort of settled issue because of "privacy," yet we are disallowed from controlling our own bodies in many, many other ways (hormone levels via steroids, as an example) is particularly absurd to me.