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Maybe it's because I don't have a lot of experience with such dungeon crawler games, but I just can't figure out what people find so compelling about a program

Maybe it's because I don't have a lot of experience with such dungeon crawler games, but I just can't figure out what people find so compelling about a program that spits semi-coherent gibberish back at you based on some input.[0] With no sense of linear progression of time or cause and effect (you can say "discover holy grail" on your first turn and you're done), it feels like a stretch to call this a game. It's a game in the same sense as an Ouiji board is a game. What am I missing? 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21717515 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21717515

kleer001 7y ago
> What am I missing? Not to sound cruel, but, maybe you're missing the fun in imagination?
- sequoia 7y ago
  Not cruel at all! I asked and you answered. And you very well may be right. My expectations were probably just off. I thought for some reason it would have more "world constraints" so if I say "swim to the center of the earth" it would recognize that as not possible. I do find games with no rules tedious and not fun. The card game Fluxx, for example, I cannot stand.
  - SamBam 7y ago
    Fluxx has a ton of rules, does it not? It's just that the rules keep changing and you have to keep track of them. I'd say a closer analogy would be Calvinball, where you just make it up as you go along.
    - sequoia 7y ago
      In fluxx, cross-turn strategy is basically impossible, as the rules may completely change between turns. I've found that reading a book during other peoples' turns then just looking up and treating each turn as a completely new game is just as effective as tracking the game across turns and significantly less frustrating. So yes, there are rules, but only within a turn. Furthermore, I was dismayed when I learned (upon first time playing) that "It's easy to get started: there are no rules to read!" actually means "you spend the entire game reading rules!" I acknowledge that this is not a very social (and somewhat rude) way to play this social game, which is why I typically politely decline to play it.
      - cgriswald 7y ago
        Once you know what all the cards do, you don’t really end up reading them anymore. So, it’s a lie that there are no rules, but learning the rules is spread across multiple game sessions. The way we play other games, that’s roughly what happens with those games too. Games don’t “count” until we’ve all got a grasp of the rules. You can plan strategy. Whether it’s more or less likely to be thwarted I can’t really say. I try to be flexible with a few plans. The main difference is you are more likely to be accidentally thwarted than in other games.
    - TulliusCicero 7y ago
      Calvinball at least has rules in the sense of physical laws still being in effect. AI Dungeon 2 doesn't even have that.
  - blackearl 7y ago
    I played it with a couple friends, just testing what weird shit would work. We laughed our asses off. If you're looking for a strictly structured game with a good story, that's not happening. I love the jankiness of these early ML games/stories/etc. and that's what you're missing.
andybak 7y ago
Personally I can't understand how someone wouldn't find this utterly wonderful and compelling but several of my friends have reacted like you so I guess you're not the weirdo here.
- VHRanger 7y ago
  I absolutely love how this game follows the improv "yes and" rules. Whatever you throw at it, will probably happen
  - fphhotchips 7y ago
    Not for me! I played 5 or so games and every time it would spit me into a loop, or started attaching the same string to every response.
- sequoia 7y ago
  Well the $8k/month the author is making on patreon to work on this project clearly indicate that my view is not shared by all. :) Horses for courses.
  - TulliusCicero 7y ago
    Apparently the server costs are in the tens of thousands of dollars so they (or their university lab?) are losing money on it.
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SamBam 7y ago
Much like the early Eliza programs, the onus is on you to provide the context and have the story make sense in your head. Unlike the Eliza programs, this one has taught itself what to say by mining a deep corpus of text, so creates a richer world, and seems to have some sense of memory (correct me if I'm wrong).
Jach 7y ago
It just seems like another instance of getting amusement from seeing what gibberish or absurdity it'll spit out this time. So that puts it in a similar category as Goat Simulator, or Bethesda games before several post-release patches have come out. If there were more structure, maybe the sibling comment about imagination would be more on point. e.g. Scribblenauts, a game with an impressive dictionary of things that can be drawn on command and interact with the world, full of possibilities, yet if you're just going at it from a pure solve-the-puzzle perspective you can beat basically everything by spamming "black hole". I don't really like either kinds of games but I think I understand the appeal...
99_00 7y ago
It's hit or miss. Sometimes the story just doesn't work and sometimes it unfolds in a very pleasing way. It's like a conversation. Most of the time it is boring, routine, uninteresting and sometimes it is really good... and then it crashes.

kleer001 7y ago

> What am I missing? Not to sound cruel, but, maybe you're missing the fun in imagination?

sequoia 7y ago
Not cruel at all! I asked and you answered. And you very well may be right. My expectations were probably just off. I thought for some reason it would have more "world constraints" so if I say "swim to the center of the earth" it would recognize that as not possible. I do find games with no rules tedious and not fun. The card game Fluxx, for example, I cannot stand.
- SamBam 7y ago
  Fluxx has a ton of rules, does it not? It's just that the rules keep changing and you have to keep track of them. I'd say a closer analogy would be Calvinball, where you just make it up as you go along.
  - sequoia 7y ago
    In fluxx, cross-turn strategy is basically impossible, as the rules may completely change between turns. I've found that reading a book during other peoples' turns then just looking up and treating each turn as a completely new game is just as effective as tracking the game across turns and significantly less frustrating. So yes, there are rules, but only within a turn. Furthermore, I was dismayed when I learned (upon first time playing) that "It's easy to get started: there are no rules to read!" actually means "you spend the entire game reading rules!" I acknowledge that this is not a very social (and somewhat rude) way to play this social game, which is why I typically politely decline to play it.
    - cgriswald 7y ago
      Once you know what all the cards do, you don’t really end up reading them anymore. So, it’s a lie that there are no rules, but learning the rules is spread across multiple game sessions. The way we play other games, that’s roughly what happens with those games too. Games don’t “count” until we’ve all got a grasp of the rules. You can plan strategy. Whether it’s more or less likely to be thwarted I can’t really say. I try to be flexible with a few plans. The main difference is you are more likely to be accidentally thwarted than in other games.
  - TulliusCicero 7y ago
    Calvinball at least has rules in the sense of physical laws still being in effect. AI Dungeon 2 doesn't even have that.
- blackearl 7y ago
  I played it with a couple friends, just testing what weird shit would work. We laughed our asses off. If you're looking for a strictly structured game with a good story, that's not happening. I love the jankiness of these early ML games/stories/etc. and that's what you're missing.

andybak 7y ago

Personally I can't understand how someone wouldn't find this utterly wonderful and compelling but several of my friends have reacted like you so I guess you're not the weirdo here.

VHRanger 7y ago
I absolutely love how this game follows the improv "yes and" rules. Whatever you throw at it, will probably happen
- fphhotchips 7y ago
  Not for me! I played 5 or so games and every time it would spit me into a loop, or started attaching the same string to every response.
sequoia 7y ago
Well the $8k/month the author is making on patreon to work on this project clearly indicate that my view is not shared by all. :) Horses for courses.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  Apparently the server costs are in the tens of thousands of dollars so they (or their university lab?) are losing money on it.
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SamBam 7y ago

Much like the early Eliza programs, the onus is on you to provide the context and have the story make sense in your head. Unlike the Eliza programs, this one has taught itself what to say by mining a deep corpus of text, so creates a richer world, and seems to have some sense of memory (correct me if I'm wrong).

Jach 7y ago

It just seems like another instance of getting amusement from seeing what gibberish or absurdity it'll spit out this time. So that puts it in a similar category as Goat Simulator, or Bethesda games before several post-release patches have come out. If there were more structure, maybe the sibling comment about imagination would be more on point. e.g. Scribblenauts, a game with an impressive dictionary of things that can be drawn on command and interact with the world, full of possibilities, yet if you're just going at it from a pure solve-the-puzzle perspective you can beat basically everything by spamming "black hole". I don't really like either kinds of games but I think I understand the appeal...

99_00 7y ago

It's hit or miss. Sometimes the story just doesn't work and sometimes it unfolds in a very pleasing way. It's like a conversation. Most of the time it is boring, routine, uninteresting and sometimes it is really good... and then it crashes.